Leica SL (Typ 601) - Mirrorless System Camera Without Compromise

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1/8000 - 60 sec shutter and 30 mins in Bulb mode, according to reviews.

[LucisPictor]

It is smaller than any DSLR out there!!!!!

 

I honestly doubt that.

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[cobbslane]

It is smaller than a R10 would have been. 

 

It is smaller than any DSLR out there!!!!!

Don't know what the R10 might have been as there isn't one.

Very much bigger than other DSLRs - Nikon Df shows what can be done even with a mirror. This thing is mirrorless so Go knows what they have used all that space for..

[dkCambridgeshire]

Don't know what the R10 might have been as there isn't one.

Very much bigger than other DSLRs - Nikon Df shows what can be done even with a mirror. This thing is mirrorless so Go knows what they have used all that space for..

 

Telecentric lenses require a large diameter lens mount

 

dunk

[lct]

[...] Very much bigger than other DSLRs - Nikon Df shows what can be done even with a mirror. [...]

 

The Nikon Df is slighly bulkier in my book but i may be wrong. Besides the Sony A7 would you mind to tell which full frame DSLRs would be smaller than the Leica?

Edited October 21, 2015 by lct

[Peter H]

The Nikon Df is slighly bulkier in my book but i may be wrong. Besides the Sony A7 would you mind to tell which full frame DSLRs would be smaller than the Leica?

 

I haven't done the research to answer this, but it looks as though many DSLRs are roughly the same size as the SL..

 

What does the SL offer that distinguishes it from DSLRs though?  

 

I can't see anything that would make me want to pay three times the price of a DSLR, although I happily pay the price for an M because it is unique in some important ways. I can't see the real value in the SL, though I appreciate it may be too early for that kind of judgement.

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Don't know what the R10 might have been as there isn't one.

Very much bigger than other DSLRs - Nikon Df shows what can be done even with a mirror. This thing is mirrorless so Go knows what they have used all that space for..

"Very much bigger than other DSLRs"?

 

I'm sorry but that is simply wrong.  The Sony A7 series CSCs are smaller yes, but full-frame DSLRs?  I don't think so.  And by the way, I've owned the Df and that isn't particularly small either (although it's reasonably light for its size).

[dkCambridgeshire]

I haven't done the research to answer this, but it looks as though many DSLRs are roughly the same size as the SL..

 

What does the SL offer that distinguishes it from DSLRs though?  

 

I can't see anything that would make me want to pay three times the price of a DSLR, although I happily pay the price for an M because it is unique in some important ways. I can't see the real value in the SL, though I appreciate it may be too early for that kind of judgement.

 

Better potential for use with legacy lenses and 4K video.

 

Look forward to seeing SL images made using the 28-90 R  and the 280/4 R lenses. So far, cannot find any. 

 

dunk

Edited October 21, 2015 by dkCambridgeshire

[rosuna]

I honestly doubt that.

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[Peter H]

Better potential for use with legacy lenses and 4K video

 

dunk

 

 

 

Is that enough?

 

The more I think about this camera, the more disappointed I become, sadly.

 

Oddly enough, however, I think it looks nice.  

Edited October 21, 2015 by Peter H

[wlaidlaw]

I occasionally use my M240 with a Zeiss Contax 28-85 f3.3 zoom, as it works beautifully with this excellent lens. However this is only when I have the camera in a car and going to be using it nearby or I am using it at home, as I find it too heavy and bulky to carry around with a total weight of 1646 grams (MF Grip and battery included). With a weight 1987 grams for the SL with the 24-90, that is definitely too much for me to carry around. I find as I get older I carry fewer and fewer lenses and the lighter ones at that but my photography does not seem to suffer. I am also a little disappointed in such a large lens, Leica has been unable to make it f2.8 throughout its range. I wonder if a slower but smaller lens of say f3.4-f5.6 might not be a better seller. Zeiss sold far more of the 35-70 f3.4-4.5 lenses than they did the larger and more expensive 28-85 f3.3. 

 

Wilson

 

PS I will probably end up buying one - sigh I usually do. 

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[MarkP]

So, how much will it cost to wipe off LEICA and Leica?

 

For a premium, the SL-P when it is released in 18 months.

[LocalHero1953]

I absolutely love it... Big a brash! True Leica SLR looks and design.

 

This is very brave of Leica... And it so "R3"!

That photo that's doing the rounds of the lady holding a massive SL looks like just wide angle distortion to me: the apparent massive size does not match up with the specified dimensions.

[Peter H]

That photo that's doing the rounds of the lady holding a massive SL looks like just wide angle distortion to me: the apparent massive size does not match up with the specified dimensions.

I suspect you're right, it is an exaggerated effect. Nevertheless, having got my tape measure out to compare it with my M, I is still very large.

[MarkP]

Leica R 28-90mm:

• Length to bayonet flange - 99 mm / 3.9 in
• Largest diameter - 80 mm / 3.1 in
• Weight - 740 g / 26.1 oz            

 

SL 24-90mm:

Dimensions: (DxL)

Approx. 3.46 x 5.43" (88 x 138 mm)

Weight

2.51 lb (1140 g)

 

1140 g ???

I guess the 90-280mm will require its own caisson... 

Looks like I'll be enjoying manual focus for a while longer . . .   

I agree, and E82 vs E67.

I'll be keeping my 28-90 Vario-Elmarit-R for a while yet.

However I wonder what the new 24-90 Vario-Elmarit-SL zoom will do to the price of the R.

Edited October 21, 2015 by MarkP

[wlaidlaw]

 

However I wonder what the new 24-90 Vario-Elmarit-SL zoom will do to the price of the R.

 

 

Mark,

 

I would thought it would have to at least moderate the price increases that lens has had over the last couple of years. The Contax 28-85/3.3 always looked very good value in comparison, when I paid €500 for a new old stock one two years ago. The 24-90 is (for Leica!) quite reasonably priced at £3150. I assume that it cannot be difficult to make in comparison to say the 50 APO, which now looks rather expensive. 

 

Wilson

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I prefer my M's 6 inch to the SL's foot long.

[Peter H]

Mark,

 

I would thought it would have to at least moderate the price increases that lens has had over the last couple of years. The Contax 28-85/3.3 always looked very good value in comparison, when I paid €500 for a new old stock one two years ago. The 24-90 is (for Leica!) quite reasonably priced at £3150. I assume that it cannot be difficult to make in comparison to say the 50 APO, which now looks rather expensive. 

 

Wilson

 

 

Wilson, you never know what will happen in Leica Land. The advent of the SL could even push the price of the 28-90 Vario-Elmarit-R up a little further if, as is possible, a few SL buyers go looking for the best "legacy" lenses to rationalise their latest investment.

[cpclee]

Flash sync of 1/250s is quite limited for a camera of this sort

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[LocalHero1953]

Flash sync of 1/250s is quite limited for a camera of this sort

No electronic shutter, which is a bit of a surprise. The two probably go together.