pedaes Posted October 21, 2015 Share #41 Posted October 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Luminous landscape on reflective iMac displays: Not to dish out on the 5k iMac too much (I own one of these in my second study area that I use for general internet browsing and email) but its mirror-like display is also a very poor match for making fine art prints, even if the marginal restricted gamut were deemed acceptable. In fact, the first thing you notice about the 5k iMac screen when you sit down in front of it is whatever is directly behind you because it is so reflective. This makes it a very poor choice for high end graphics applications and fine art printing. https://luminous-landscape.com/eizo-cg318-4k-review-the-cutting-edge-of-high-end-graphic-displays/ Elmar This is a bit confusing. From the Addendum I guess this quote refers to previous i-mac - not the new release being discussed here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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elmars Posted October 21, 2015 Share #42 Posted October 21, 2015 This is right. But the new displays reflect in the same way as the older ones - so the information of my Apple dealer. Elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted October 21, 2015 Share #43 Posted October 21, 2015 This is right. But the new displays reflect in the same way as the older ones - so the information of my Apple dealer. Elmar Your Apple dealer. IF they have the new screen, I guess in an Apple store it may be an issue.I would be pretty certain the Apple sales guy will not have used at home. I use a i-mac without window or bright light behind and the gloss is not a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 21, 2015 Share #44 Posted October 21, 2015 This is a bit confusing. From the Addendum I guess this quote refers to previous i-mac - not the new release being discussed here. I already covered this issue and 2 other POSSIBLE concerns with the old model (using the LuLa link), in post #37. As I wrote, only time will tell if improvements will be made to the forthcoming display with regard to any of these issues, i.e., screen reflectivity, brightness uniformity and/or hardware calibration.....all of which I mentioned earlier before even linking to the LuLa article, which just happened to echo my observations. And to repeat, each user has his/her own applications, needs, preferences and standards. I don't agree with the LuLa writer's statement that the shiny display (old or not) is necessarily bad for fine art printing....it's up to each individual to make that judgment (it's not my cup of tea). The LuLa writer also did not address the issue of long term display stability and reliability, which was important in my decision to go with NEC/Eizo at the time I made my purchase decision 6 years ago, and which has proven sound. Seems that Apple is making inroads, but only time and experience will tell. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2015 Share #45 Posted October 21, 2015 There is one particular one to one trainer in the Manchester UK store who is a semi pro photographer and generally very honest. I will be in Manchester later this week and will try and get hold of him. I will post any info I find out. The sooner I get to the bottom of this the sooner I can place an order. Brianp Of course the new display will have better specs....wider gamut, etc. It will turn an already fine display into a better one, and that will bring it closer to (or maybe better) than even Eizo in those aspects. So, if that's the criteria for purchase, it will be a no-brainer. But I keep mentioning, to no avail apparently, possible real world limitations affecting earlier models....reflective surface, lack of hardware calibration, lack of uniform brightness, etc....which SOME photographers deem important. Maybe Apple will address those issues, maybe not....we'll see. I visited the Apple store in Manchester (UK ) today to discuss the latest 27ins iMac. Initially the salesman insisted that the actual display had not been changed .I asked about the new improved LED,s which should improve the Gamut over sRGB.At this point the guy was out of his depth and disappeared to ask another salesman.It was then decided that Apple had improved the screen with new LED and the one on display had the new screen. It was so badly set up it was impossible to make any judgement also total lack of interest from the guy showing me the iMac. The guy I normally talk to is on holiday so I am going back next week.I was amazed at the guy lack of knowledge and interest. Calumet in Manchester are having an open day in a couple of weeks and Eizo will be there with all the latest monitors.If there is a monitor I am particularly interested in they have offered to let me spend a couple of hours with it after the event.Nothing to loose and they want my business. BrianP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orient XI Posted October 27, 2015 Share #46 Posted October 27, 2015 Not trying to derail this thread! However, it touches on several of the side issues in this thread. My bog standard monitor has become erratic and I need a replacement. Yesterday I went to Calumet at Drummond Street to look at Eizo and NEC monitors. It was obviously a bad day; the new salesman was polite and courteous and was honest enough to admit he lacked the experience to help me. In vain he sought the help of his more experienced colleagues, two of whom were too busy fawning over another customer to come to his and my aid. He tried scrolling through the Eizo website and it appeared, to my dismay, that all the more desirable features of their latest monitors were not available to Windows 7 users. I cannot afford to buy a top of the range monitor and change to a Mac. Can anybody out there kindly advise me on the course to take? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 27, 2015 Share #47 Posted October 27, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Windows 7 users. I cannot afford to buy a top of the range monitor and change to a Mac. Can anybody out there kindly advise me on the course to take? No need to change to a Mac, most monitors come in with a variety of connection options (HDMI, display port and DVI, etc.) and additional hardware like calibrators usually have Windows compatible software. I'm not sure what features you were told would be unavailable to you. As with the cameras and lenses, many of the discussions in this forum give the impression that it is not possible to do good photography using anything but the highest-end equipment. The truth is of course very different and there are many decent displays that can be had for reasonable cost that a talented photographer can use. Almost any IPS display and a calibrator will take you quite far. For example, some of the Dell IPS displays have had a good reputation over the years (certainly as a value proposition) and, if you want to stick with a brand like Eizo, there are a number of lower spec monitors for around £3-500 that will do an excellent job (for example, you could do a lot worse than something like the Coloredge CS240). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 27, 2015 Share #48 Posted October 27, 2015 Not trying to derail this thread! However, it touches on several of the side issues in this thread. My bog standard monitor has become erratic and I need a replacement. Yesterday I went to Calumet at Drummond Street to look at Eizo and NEC monitors. It was obviously a bad day; the new salesman was polite and courteous and was honest enough to admit he lacked the experience to help me. In vain he sought the help of his more experienced colleagues, two of whom were too busy fawning over another customer to come to his and my aid. He tried scrolling through the Eizo website and it appeared, to my dismay, that all the more desirable features of their latest monitors were not available to Windows 7 users. I cannot afford to buy a top of the range monitor and change to a Mac. Can anybody out there kindly advise me on the course to take? Calumet are normally very good but I suppose they all have off days. Out of interest Calumet are having a series of open days at probably all there store s in about 3weeks time. Eizo will definitely be attending the Manchester event and probably all of them. These events are a good opportunity to talk to people with good product knowledge. I would give Drummond street a call,could be very helpful. I am going through a similar exercise to yourself and have found these open days very good in the past. Brianp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted October 28, 2015 Share #49 Posted October 28, 2015 After having a monitor go bad on a just off warranty iMac a few years ago I vowed never to buy an iMac again. It's a risk that you take with iMacs that the monitor goes before the computer. Equally frustrating, I suppose would be the inverse, the computer going before the monitor. I recommend a Mac Mini or Mac Pro with an external monitor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share #50 Posted October 30, 2015 Has anyone yet had a chance to buy one of these new monitors and report what they think about it? The reality for me is that I want to pair it with a HP printer and have really never had a problem matching screen to output or ever had a problem with monitor calibration to printer or any other such stuff like uniformity across the screen. I read about this stuff but, none of it has ever made a bit of difference to "real world" printing, for me. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 30, 2015 Share #51 Posted October 30, 2015 Then what could possibly deter you from buying it? It will have better specs, for sure, and you're unconcerned even if any of the formerly reported issues surfaces. Is the forum really that powerful to your 'real world printing'? Or is it only important when you read something that finally supports your point of view? Strange place this is, sometimes. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted October 30, 2015 Share #52 Posted October 30, 2015 I have the new 5k screen and have had the same image on both the new mac and my outgoing 27" mac side by side. From normal viewing distance it is difficult to see any major difference - there is no WOW factor. However if you look closely at detail there is definetly more contrast and definition on the 5k screen.. and with 4GHz i7 processor is a very fast machine. There is no perceptable drop off on the edge of either screen when viewed by middle aged humans -have no knowledge of, and in truth don't realy care, if this is measurable by a instrument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 30, 2015 Share #53 Posted October 30, 2015 There you go, the older version should soon be available for a nice discount. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 31, 2015 Share #54 Posted October 31, 2015 Has anyone yet had a chance to buy one of these new monitors and report what they think about it? The reality for me is that I want to pair it with a HP printer and have really never had a problem matching screen to output or ever had a problem with monitor calibration to printer or any other such stuff like uniformity across the screen. I read about this stuff but, none of it has ever made a bit of difference to "real world" printing, for me. Rick Am I understanding you correctly in that you don,t calibrate your monitor or your printer ? . Not a problem if you are happy with the results but I bought a colourmunki device about 5 years ago and my print quality shows a big improvement for calibrating my monitor and printer. I borrowed an i1pro2 device recently on an extended loan,just for my own interest sake and after setting up both the monitor and Epson P800 I was very impressed with the results.Far better than with a ColourMunki. Only problem is the price on an i1pro2. Brian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian m Posted November 14, 2015 Share #55 Posted November 14, 2015 Keep in mind when comparing displays that color gamuts wider than sRGB require a lot of layers of underlying software support. It's not necessarily that case that colors found in one app will be as wide as colors found in another. Hopefully your photography tools of choice are built to work well with the underlying operating system. See for example https://www.ricciadams.com/articles/osx-color-conversions/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 29, 2015 Author Share #56 Posted December 29, 2015 I have the new 5K now. What an incredible experience to view images on this screen. This definitely is the future of display viewing. Any small amount of out of gamut color is more than made by the contrast and color and shear crystal clear image viewed on the screen. The computer is the fastest I've experienced and imagine it could be faster than a work station for some things or at least in the same range for speed. Going forward I see that the 6k and 8k displays will just be stunning and the way to view photography on a display. 24MP cameras are a good fit for 5k and in the future the higher resolution displays will be able to utilize higher MP cameras. I can recommend the new 5K I'll try and resurrect one of my Samsung graphic displays and determine if a dedicated graphics monitor would be any better for making prints. I don't believe that there is going to be much downside to the new 5K, but I'll get them side by side and make some prints using both at the same time and see what the differences of the display makes. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted December 30, 2015 Author Share #57 Posted December 30, 2015 Am I understanding you correctly in that you don,t calibrate your monitor or your printer ? . Not a problem if you are happy with the results but I bought a colourmunki device about 5 years ago and my print quality shows a big improvement for calibrating my monitor and printer. I borrowed an i1pro2 device recently on an extended loan,just for my own interest sake and after setting up both the monitor and Epson P800 I was very impressed with the results.Far better than with a ColourMunki. Only problem is the price on an i1pro2. Brian Just saw this post. Yes, I calibrate my screens with iPro. And, I have a consistent color workflow all the way through my software like PS. And, my 44" Printer has a built in iPro to make paper profiles and to keep the printer calibrated(like making color patches and reading them with an external iPro, except the printer does it all in the printer). I've never had a problem with color this way. Sometimes the screen doesn't match what I want the density of ink to be, so I'll make on the fly adjustments. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted October 25, 2016 Share #58 Posted October 25, 2016 Hi Rick, Sorry to resurrect your thread from a year ago, but wanted to ask a couple of questions. I bought a new iMac 27" Retina a week and a half ago because I needed it for display at a business event and I had been looking for a good excuse to spend the money... Due to needing it for the following day, I had to buy the standard i5 processor (1 TB Fusion drive) with 8GB of RAM, the only version the Apple stores seem to carry in stock - i7 processors being special order. I have until tomorrow to get a refund and then order the i7 I was originally going to buy, and with Apple announcing possible new iMacs on Thursday, it's very tempting to take it back to the Apple Store, order a new i7 version and then change the order to the new iMac if one is announced. All pretty straightforward you would think... However, I don't know whether the i7 processor will give me any real world advantages over the i5. Plus, I absolutely love the thing and have set it up in the office and am not sure I can be bothered to take it back into Cambridge and then wait for a few days. I am torn between sheer laziness and the desire to get the best I can get. On top of that, I have a niggling worry that the new machines (if they appear) may have been a huge advantage in terms of speed. Unfortunately, sheer laziness appears to be winning. Especially as had I not known about the potential new iMacs or thought about the i7 processor, I would have been delighted with what I have already. PP in LR or PS is staggering and the quality from my M files is way beyond my expectations... Did you look into the i5 v i7 advantages very much, what spec is yours and is there anything you would suggest I pay attention to after your years worth of experience with it? I need a push... and a fairly vigorous one, because I am very happy with what I have... Anyone else with the iMac 27 Retina with advice/comment? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted October 25, 2016 Share #59 Posted October 25, 2016 Some idle thoughts: I think there's a cut off point at 1/3 second - any longer than that and you are waiting (for whatever it's for). There are things you will expect to wait for (importing the days shots) and a faster processor won't push that into the sub 1/3 second class. There are things you don't want to wait for (applying a noise reduction setting) but for me, it takes my eyes about 1/3 second to check that noise has been reduced. If your photo processing doesn't have too many over 1/3 operations, then the processor is fast enough. Perhaps putting 32gb ram in the iMac you have will ensure you have a smooth ride. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted October 26, 2016 Share #60 Posted October 26, 2016 Thank you. That makes perfect sense to me... I think I have much the same working tolerance, and at the end of the day, that's what we are talking about here. Upping the RAM now, rather than later as I was going to do, is probably the better option. Thanks again... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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