Lax Jought Posted September 9, 2015 Share #1 Posted September 9, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was looking at the Leica website and saw that their fastest telephoto lens is the 90mm f/2. I had a look at the Camera Quest website and saw that the fastest Voigtlander M mount lens is the 75mm f/1.8. Are there any other alternatives or is that it for fast teles on the Leica? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted September 9, 2015 Share #2 Posted September 9, 2015 The Summilux 75/1.4 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted September 9, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted September 9, 2015 Hi jaapv! I was hoping to use my M8.2 with a tele to maximise my telephoto reach. And the reason why I was looking at fast teles is because (1) a lot of my photography occurs in low light events/concert/music, and (2) the M8 has poor ISO. The Summilux 75/1.4 would give me the equivalent of a 100mm lens, and a 90mm would give me the equivalent of a 120mm. Is that the best possible reach that I can expect from a fast Leica lens? The Summilux 75/1.4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyonepointsix Posted September 9, 2015 Share #4 Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) There are older 85mm F1.5 lenses around, the Canon 85/1.5 is under $800 with patience. Don't expect miracles from 1950s super-speed optics, but sharp enough. With the M8: are you shooting Raw mode and using M8RAW2DNG for low-light, or using DNG/JPEG? Some comparisons here: http://www.leicaplace.com/threads/1081/ Edited September 9, 2015 by fiftyonepointsix 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted September 9, 2015 Share #5 Posted September 9, 2015 Canon 100mm f2 with LTM. LUF member MENOS demonstrated use of M8 with Canon 100 f2 covering motor racing in all light conditions - 24h Le Mans. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyonepointsix Posted September 9, 2015 Share #6 Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) I have the Canon 100/2: Great lens, can be found for under $400 with patience. Planar formula lens with a long and very smooth focus throw. This is with the M Monochrom at ISO 10,000, wide-open, and at 1/180th second. Skater was moving fairly quickly. "follow-focus and Pan", RF spot kept on the intersection of the shirt/jeans. L1005484-Edit by fiftyonepointsix, on Flickr I've pushed the M8 to ISO5000 equivalent at the skating rink. Edited September 9, 2015 by fiftyonepointsix 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted September 9, 2015 Share #7 Posted September 9, 2015 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) There's the Leitz 85/1.5 Summarex (LTM) and the Leica 90/1.0 Elcan - if you could 1) find one, and 2) afford it. Pete. Edited September 9, 2015 by farnz 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share #8 Posted September 10, 2015 Thanks everyone for your responses! I had not considered Canon lenses and in fact was not previously aware of them. I was aware of a Canon 50mm f/0.95 but never looked into it or looked into how it could be mounted on the M, I assume it's an old standard LTM mount adapter but I will look into it. Canon 100mm f2 with LTM. LUF member MENOS demonstrated use of M8 with Canon 100 f2 covering motor racing in all light conditions - 24h Le Mans. I'm going to look this up, I will be very interested to see the Leica, especially the M8, used in this context, thanks. There are older 85mm F1.5 lenses around, the Canon 85/1.5 is under $800 with patience. Don't expect miracles from 1950s super-speed optics, but sharp enough. With the M8: are you shooting Raw mode and using M8RAW2DNG for low-light, or using DNG/JPEG? Some comparisons here: http://www.leicaplace.com/threads/1081/ I am aware of the M8 raw method but have never properly tried it. It's been a while since I looked into it but I think I did not look into it very much back then because my M8.2's sensor was starting to fail anyway, and also I think it had something to do with a workflow that was not easily adapted with Lightroom, I think I would've had to go through a couple of extra steps to make it work. The other reason, if I recall correctly, is that it slowed down the photography process and that I had to remember to go through the steps to get back to raw access every time I shut the camera off. The way I work is I always shut the camera off after I take a shot, this is mainly to preserve battery life through the day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted September 10, 2015 I was thinking that maybe I will use my A7 purely for telephoto use if I'm not able to go long enough on the rangefinder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted September 10, 2015 Share #10 Posted September 10, 2015 If you are looking at Canon lenses, you may also want to consider the 85/1.8. Canon's best tele (along with the 100/2) IMHO, although relatively rare and on the expensive side. If you don't mind the weight, the Nikkor 85/2 was also made in LTM and is a good performer for its age. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share #11 Posted September 10, 2015 If you are looking at Canon lenses, you may also want to consider the 85/1.8. Canon's best tele (along with the 100/2) IMHO, although relatively rare and on the expensive side. If you don't mind the weight, the Nikkor 85/2 was also made in LTM and is a good performer for its age. Wait a minute, are we talking about old out-of-production Canon lenses, or the current EF mount ones? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted September 10, 2015 Share #12 Posted September 10, 2015 Wait a minute, are we talking about old out-of-production Canon lenses, or the current EF mount ones? Definitely not EF lenses. LTM lenses are all early 1970s and older for long abandoned Canon RF cameras, Nikon ones are even older. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted September 10, 2015 Share #13 Posted September 10, 2015 [...] and the Leica 90/1.0 Elcan - if you could 1) find one, and 2) afford it. 3) Do without focusing. The lens is fixed at infinity. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted September 10, 2015 Share #14 Posted September 10, 2015 Hi jaapv! I was hoping to use my M8.2 with a tele to maximise my telephoto reach. And the reason why I was looking at fast teles is because (1) a lot of my photography occurs in low light events/concert/music, and (2) the M8 has poor ISO. The Summilux 75/1.4 would give me the equivalent of a 100mm lens, and a 90mm would give me the equivalent of a 120mm. Is that the best possible reach that I can expect from a fast Leica lens? Just replace the M8 with a M240. That will solve the ISO issue, and simultaneously give you a higher resolution than the M8 at the same sensor crop level. With much higher ISO performance, comes the ability to use slower lenses, such as the 135/3.4 (if you can manage focusing it with thee RF). The M240 will also allow you to use fast reflex lenses focused in Live View. My very personal equation: low-light + reach = Canon 1Dx + fast tele. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted September 10, 2015 Share #15 Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) Wait a minute, are we talking about old out-of-production Canon lenses, or the current EF mount ones? Old ones, of course... I don't see how you could reliably use the modern ones on an M8.2... The Canon RF lenses are typically in LTM mount and need a LTM to M adapter. The RF Nikkors are easier to find in their native S-mount (adapters do exist for Nikkor to M, but tend to be expensive), although smaller batches of most lenses were made in LTM. Edited September 10, 2015 by Ecar Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted September 10, 2015 Share #16 Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) the Canon LTM mount 100mm f2 is a great alternative if you can find one. Very happy with mine. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited September 10, 2015 by jaques 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/249892-fast-telephoto-lenses-on-the-leica/?do=findComment&comment=2885640'>More sharing options...
fiftyonepointsix Posted September 10, 2015 Share #17 Posted September 10, 2015 (edited) The Nikkor lenses from the 1940s and 1950s are fairly easy to find in Leica thread mount. I have two Nikkor 8.5cm F2 lenses in Leica mount, $300 for each. Two- as the last one bought is from 1949. Both perform quite well, the Nikkor 8.5cm F2 is the lens that caught the attention of David Douglas Duncan. The lens is chrome over brass and the optics are hard-coated. They have fared well over the decades. G1005878 by fiftyonepointsix, on Flickr Wide-open on the M Monochrom, ISO 10,000. I understand the inconvenience of M8RAW2DNG, I tend to leave the M8 powered up- usually will go a tens of minutes between "button Dances". skate4_ISO2500 by fiftyonepointsix, on Flickr This is the M8 using M8RAW2DNG, ISO2500 equiv, 1/60th and F1.4. Minolta 50/1.4 SLR lens custom converted to RF coupled M-Mount. Edited September 10, 2015 by fiftyonepointsix 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share #18 Posted September 10, 2015 Definitely not EF lenses. LTM lenses are all early 1970s and older for long abandoned Canon RF cameras, Nikon ones are even older. Old ones, of course... I don't see how you could reliably use the modern ones on an M8.2... The Canon RF lenses are typically in LTM mount and need a LTM to M adapter. The RF Nikkors are easier to find in their native S-mount (adapters do exist for Nikkor to M, but tend to be expensive), although smaller batches of most lenses were made in LTM. Just checking, I've never looked at these old Canon lenses before and am not very familiar with them, so this will be new for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share #19 Posted September 10, 2015 Just replace the M8 with a M240. No... that would make things too easy. But in all seriousness, an aperture of f/3.4 would not be workable for what I need to do. The larger the aperture, the better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lax Jought Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share #20 Posted September 10, 2015 How are these lenses on an M240? The Nikkor lenses from the 1940s and 1950s are fairly easy to find in Leica thread mount. I have two Nikkor 8.5cm F2 lenses in Leica mount, $300 for each. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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