Joakim Posted August 27, 2015 Share #21 Posted August 27, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I thought I had explained what "was going on"? Also I have not seen any mentioning of the histogram being based on the raw file now that I have researched the matter, can't even find it on B&H. The only mentioning of it that I've seen is in a comment to an on-line review. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 27, 2015 Posted August 27, 2015 Hi Joakim, Take a look here Raw/DNG histogram with zone system markings. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
BerndReini Posted August 28, 2015 Share #22 Posted August 28, 2015 Sorry if I was unclear Joakim. With "explain what's going on" I mean tell us why there is no Raw histogram in the M246. I meant for someone to explain "why it's going on?" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 28, 2015 Share #23 Posted August 28, 2015 ... can't even find it on B&H. Now I can't find the reference either.....could have sworn I read, but might have confused with first MM iteration description. Leica made a big deal about this with original MM; the fact that we can't find mention on the M246 suggests to me that it's a typical JPEG histogram. Curious. A PM to 'mjh' would probably answer this quickly. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted September 2, 2015 Share #24 Posted September 2, 2015 I am just back from an exhausting trip, but I do not recall seeing the histogram change over to a DNG histogram on my M246 like the old MM1 did. Thus I must assume it is only a JPEG histogram on the MM2. Yes sad omission. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted September 4, 2015 Share #25 Posted September 4, 2015 Two steps forward, one step back. It seems like this happens every time a new camera comes out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
retcheto Posted January 4, 2018 Share #26 Posted January 4, 2018 My understanding is it has been confirmed that the histogram is only based on the JPG. Is the histogram a useful guide then in any way when out in the field? I'm still waiting for my M246 to arrive but planning my first trip. It seems that maybe setting everything to 'standard' or neutral (I forget what they call it) could still approximate what the DNG histogram will be and still be useful as someone mentioned earlier. Does this work or is the histogram way off? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 20, 2018 Share #27 Posted January 20, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) My understanding is it has been confirmed that the histogram is only based on the JPG. Is the histogram a useful guide then in any way when out in the field? I'm still waiting for my M246 to arrive but planning my first trip. It seems that maybe setting everything to 'standard' or neutral (I forget what they call it) could still approximate what the DNG histogram will be and still be useful as someone mentioned earlier. Does this work or is the histogram way off? I can confirm on my MM1 when the histogram chnages from jpeg to dng it is measurably different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted January 21, 2018 Share #28 Posted January 21, 2018 My understanding is it has been confirmed that the histogram is only based on the JPG. Is the histogram a useful guide then in any way when out in the field? I'm still waiting for my M246 to arrive but planning my first trip. It seems that maybe setting everything to 'standard' or neutral (I forget what they call it) could still approximate what the DNG histogram will be and still be useful as someone mentioned earlier. Does this work or is the histogram way off? I think the answer is yes, a jpeg histogram is still useful when out in the field. after all a standard/neutral jpeg will not give you false information, it represents less data than a raw histogram but that data is neither false nor dangerous since there is more data on the sensor. I would suggest though that you also use the clipping review feature. I find that to also be quite useful in conjunction with the histogram. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
retcheto Posted January 21, 2018 Share #29 Posted January 21, 2018 Yes I've been relying a lot on the clipping review and it's working very well for me Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 22, 2018 Share #30 Posted January 22, 2018 Watching the clipping, especially on an MM is very important, but watch out that you do not get so conservative that you are limiting your DR. from my experience, on the MM1 the DNG DR is much greater on the histogram than with the jpeg histogram. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 22, 2018 Share #31 Posted January 22, 2018 I thought I had explained what "was going on"? Also I have not seen any mentioning of the histogram being based on the raw file now that I have researched the matter, can't even find it on B&H. The only mentioning of it that I've seen is in a comment to an on-line review. It is in the MM1 manual, but can't recall the page. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joakim Posted January 22, 2018 Share #32 Posted January 22, 2018 It is in the MM1 manual, but can't recall the page. This was some time ago so I had to reread my own posts to be sure but in the quote above I am referring to the MM2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 22, 2018 Share #33 Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) OK, pp 95 & 150 so far that I can see in the MM1 Manual are discussions about the DNG histogram. Edited January 22, 2018 by algrove Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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