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Can or will Leica supply a black dot sized for the Q?

No, they are not allowed to. Leica Camera doesn’t own the Leica logo and they only have a license for using a red dot, not a black one.

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No, they are not allowed to. Leica Camera doesn’t own the Leica logo and they only have a license for using a red dot, not a black one.

So you could consider that Leica are themselves being

a disingenuous affixing their licensed version somewhat

insecurely or, in this case, not at all... Encouraging us to

break 'their' license and engineer our own ninja blacks;~0

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But a little can of model paint and a brush won't break the bank

Models don't tend to like photographers referring to their

make-up (tools of their trade after all) as being paint;~)

 

Wonder what a dark graphite colour covered with

a few layers of glitter fleck varnish would look...

aka 'pimp my red dot'?

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DAG used to sell the real black dots, not sure if he still has them. A quick google search finds these instructions:

Follow these instructions:

  1. Carefully pry the red badge off the camera body using an artist's scalpel. As it's only stuck on, it should come off without too much fiddling.
  2. Stick the red-badge onto some baking paper or wax paper or grease-proof paper. You want to put the dot onto something which will hold it but not bond to its adhesive backing.
  3. Apply a coat of black paint. Don't worry about painting over the embossed silver lettering, just apply an even coat to the whole surface, letters and all.
  4. Now, before the paint dries, run a flat absorbant surface over the embossed lettering to wipe off any excess paint. I used a piece of cardboard. Don't worry if you don't get all the paint off — you'll fix this later.
  5. Allow the paint to dry (6-8 hrs).
  6. Apply another coat of paint and repeat the above procedure to remove any excess from the face of the "Leica" letters.
  7. Once the paint has dried (another 6-8 hours), get a very fine emery manicure board (the finest you can — buy them from any pharmacy) and carefully buff the surface of the embossed silver lettering to remove all traces of paint.
  8. That's it. Peel off the paper backing and re-attach to your camera. The adhesive will still stick because it didn't bond to the grease-proof paper.

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DAG used to sell the real black dots, not sure if he still has them. A quick google search finds these instructions:

Follow these instructions...

Sounds like a workable project to me ...cheers;~)

Just gotta wait for the damned thing to arrive now.

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A little google would also reveal where to get a genuine black logo for a couple of EUR...

Genuine it won't be. (except the M8.2)

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Genuine it won't be. (except the M8.2)

 

i meant to say that you can buy a real spare part black dot

 

it's on the Leica Q blog (link and pictures). A set of red and black sells for 16 EUR

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i meant to say that you can buy a real spare part black dot

 

it's on the Leica Q blog (link and pictures). A set of red and black sells for 16 EUR

 

What is the Leica Q Blog?

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This is my first ever Leica (will be when it eventually

arrives) and I'm joining a conversation predicating the

removal of the manufacturer's logo branding element.

Weird. The micrometer set of images is interesting.

The right 'black' one seems to have an unnatural

gloss and the left one has black paint on the silver

lettering that doesn't look the part. Whereas the red

stuff looks satin smooth and has a proper melt wetting

up the base of the silver lettering. This reflects the

lighting properly around all the lettering. So, is it a

ceramic granule melt type of jewellery? Difficult to

replicate in black without a similar process.

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This is my first ever Leica (will be when it eventually

arrives) and I'm joining a conversation predicating the

removal of the manufacturer's logo branding element.

Weird. The micrometer set of images is interesting.

The right 'black' one seems to have an unnatural

gloss and the left one has black paint on the silver

lettering that doesn't look the part. Whereas the red

stuff looks satin smooth and has a proper melt wetting

up the base of the silver lettering. This reflects the

lighting properly around all the lettering. So, is it a

ceramic granule melt type of jewellery? Difficult to

replicate in black without a similar process.

 

Its 10mm in diameter, if someone is looking that closely they have violated your personal space

There was a guy on the Facebook group (M240) who painted these and they looked amazing. That might be one of his on my 240, I don't recall if it came from him or DAG I bought both.

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Its 10mm in diameter, if someone is looking that closely they have violated your personal space

Actually I fear it'll probably be me violating theirs...

My normal kit uses the Canon f2.8L 70-200 lens:-)

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So you could consider that Leica are themselves being

a disingenuous affixing their licensed version somewhat

insecurely or, in this case, not at all... Encouraging us to

break 'their' license and engineer our own ninja blacks;~0

There was a time when Leica gave out black dots if you did ask nicely, but then they got a slap on their wrists and this service had to be stopped.

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Well, it turns out that there has already been a black dot Leica before (besides the M8.2): an LHSA edition black paint M6 commissioned in 2000.

 

Stephen from Cameraquest has posted this in the rangefinderforum:

 

 

Apparently the black dot M8.2 was the last of the black dot Leicas. The black "LEICA" dots were first introduced on the Black LHSA M6 TTL in 2000.

 
Why no more BLACK Leica DOTS?
 
Well, it turns out the Leica Microscope company does not like the black dot, and insists upon the Leica RED dot for future Leicas.
 
The Leica trademark is actually owned by the Leica Microscope Company. In turn the Leica camera company licenses the Leica name. Reputedly this is in order to make a hostile take over of the Leica Camera Company impossible. A wise strategy in my view. 
 
 
Article on black paint LHSA M6: https://www.cameraquest.com/lm6lhsa.htm
 
 
I cannot comment on the Leica Microscope (Leica Microsystems) part, but between the four independent companies sharing the Leica brand, Leica Microsystems apart from Leica Camera seems to be closest to the original Leitz company
 
As of today, you can buy black dots in 10mm and 12mm size. The 10mm is not surprising as this is the standard size. The 12mm are somewhat surprising as this is the new larger logo of the M (240) series. If there has been an agreement not to use the black dot anymore, you would still produce 10mm parts to keep spares for at least the M8.2. But why would you produce 12mm parts?
Edited by bernie.lcf

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