mjh Posted July 17, 2015 Share #21 Posted July 17, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can or will Leica supply a black dot sized for the Q? No, they are not allowed to. Leica Camera doesn’t own the Leica logo and they only have a license for using a red dot, not a black one. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted July 17, 2015 Share #22 Posted July 17, 2015 But a little can of model paint and a brush won't break the bank 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piran Posted July 17, 2015 Share #23 Posted July 17, 2015 No, they are not allowed to. Leica Camera doesn’t own the Leica logo and they only have a license for using a red dot, not a black one. So you could consider that Leica are themselves being a disingenuous affixing their licensed version somewhat insecurely or, in this case, not at all... Encouraging us to break 'their' license and engineer our own ninja blacks;~0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piran Posted July 17, 2015 Share #24 Posted July 17, 2015 But a little can of model paint and a brush won't break the bank Models don't tend to like photographers referring to their make-up (tools of their trade after all) as being paint;~) Wonder what a dark graphite colour covered with a few layers of glitter fleck varnish would look... aka 'pimp my red dot'? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 17, 2015 Share #25 Posted July 17, 2015 DAG used to sell the real black dots, not sure if he still has them. A quick google search finds these instructions: Follow these instructions: Carefully pry the red badge off the camera body using an artist's scalpel. As it's only stuck on, it should come off without too much fiddling. Stick the red-badge onto some baking paper or wax paper or grease-proof paper. You want to put the dot onto something which will hold it but not bond to its adhesive backing. Apply a coat of black paint. Don't worry about painting over the embossed silver lettering, just apply an even coat to the whole surface, letters and all. Now, before the paint dries, run a flat absorbant surface over the embossed lettering to wipe off any excess paint. I used a piece of cardboard. Don't worry if you don't get all the paint off — you'll fix this later. Allow the paint to dry (6-8 hrs). Apply another coat of paint and repeat the above procedure to remove any excess from the face of the "Leica" letters. Once the paint has dried (another 6-8 hours), get a very fine emery manicure board (the finest you can — buy them from any pharmacy) and carefully buff the surface of the embossed silver lettering to remove all traces of paint. That's it. Peel off the paper backing and re-attach to your camera. The adhesive will still stick because it didn't bond to the grease-proof paper. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piran Posted July 17, 2015 Share #26 Posted July 17, 2015 DAG used to sell the real black dots, not sure if he still has them. A quick google search finds these instructions: Follow these instructions... Sounds like a workable project to me ...cheers;~) Just gotta wait for the damned thing to arrive now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernie.lcf Posted July 17, 2015 Share #27 Posted July 17, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) A little google would also reveal where to get a genuine black logo for a couple of EUR... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 17, 2015 Share #28 Posted July 17, 2015 The question is which size is it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernie.lcf Posted July 17, 2015 Share #29 Posted July 17, 2015 12mm is for M (240) and similar cameras 10mm is for the rest 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 17, 2015 Share #30 Posted July 17, 2015 A little google would also reveal where to get a genuine black logo for a couple of EUR... Genuine it won't be. (except the M8.2) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 17, 2015 Share #31 Posted July 17, 2015 yes but which one is Leitax selling? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernie.lcf Posted July 17, 2015 Share #32 Posted July 17, 2015 Genuine it won't be. (except the M8.2) i meant to say that you can buy a real spare part black dot it's on the Leica Q blog (link and pictures). A set of red and black sells for 16 EUR Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 17, 2015 Share #33 Posted July 17, 2015 M240 Black Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/247901-leica-q-missing-the-red-dot/?do=findComment&comment=2856293'>More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 17, 2015 Share #34 Posted July 17, 2015 i meant to say that you can buy a real spare part black dot it's on the Leica Q blog (link and pictures). A set of red and black sells for 16 EUR What is the Leica Q Blog? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piran Posted July 17, 2015 Share #35 Posted July 17, 2015 This is my first ever Leica (will be when it eventually arrives) and I'm joining a conversation predicating the removal of the manufacturer's logo branding element. Weird. The micrometer set of images is interesting. The right 'black' one seems to have an unnatural gloss and the left one has black paint on the silver lettering that doesn't look the part. Whereas the red stuff looks satin smooth and has a proper melt wetting up the base of the silver lettering. This reflects the lighting properly around all the lettering. So, is it a ceramic granule melt type of jewellery? Difficult to replicate in black without a similar process. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 17, 2015 Share #36 Posted July 17, 2015 This is my first ever Leica (will be when it eventually arrives) and I'm joining a conversation predicating the removal of the manufacturer's logo branding element. Weird. The micrometer set of images is interesting. The right 'black' one seems to have an unnatural gloss and the left one has black paint on the silver lettering that doesn't look the part. Whereas the red stuff looks satin smooth and has a proper melt wetting up the base of the silver lettering. This reflects the lighting properly around all the lettering. So, is it a ceramic granule melt type of jewellery? Difficult to replicate in black without a similar process. Its 10mm in diameter, if someone is looking that closely they have violated your personal space There was a guy on the Facebook group (M240) who painted these and they looked amazing. That might be one of his on my 240, I don't recall if it came from him or DAG I bought both. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piran Posted July 17, 2015 Share #37 Posted July 17, 2015 Its 10mm in diameter, if someone is looking that closely they have violated your personal space Actually I fear it'll probably be me violating theirs... My normal kit uses the Canon f2.8L 70-200 lens:-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 17, 2015 Share #38 Posted July 17, 2015 So you could consider that Leica are themselves being a disingenuous affixing their licensed version somewhat insecurely or, in this case, not at all... Encouraging us to break 'their' license and engineer our own ninja blacks;~0 There was a time when Leica gave out black dots if you did ask nicely, but then they got a slap on their wrists and this service had to be stopped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernie.lcf Posted July 18, 2015 Share #39 Posted July 18, 2015 (edited) Well, it turns out that there has already been a black dot Leica before (besides the M8.2): an LHSA edition black paint M6 commissioned in 2000. Stephen from Cameraquest has posted this in the rangefinderforum: Apparently the black dot M8.2 was the last of the black dot Leicas. The black "LEICA" dots were first introduced on the Black LHSA M6 TTL in 2000. Why no more BLACK Leica DOTS? Well, it turns out the Leica Microscope company does not like the black dot, and insists upon the Leica RED dot for future Leicas. The Leica trademark is actually owned by the Leica Microscope Company. In turn the Leica camera company licenses the Leica name. Reputedly this is in order to make a hostile take over of the Leica Camera Company impossible. A wise strategy in my view. Link to thread: https://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81758 Article on black paint LHSA M6: https://www.cameraquest.com/lm6lhsa.htm I cannot comment on the Leica Microscope (Leica Microsystems) part, but between the four independent companies sharing the Leica brand, Leica Microsystems apart from Leica Camera seems to be closest to the original Leitz company As of today, you can buy black dots in 10mm and 12mm size. The 10mm is not surprising as this is the standard size. The 12mm are somewhat surprising as this is the new larger logo of the M (240) series. If there has been an agreement not to use the black dot anymore, you would still produce 10mm parts to keep spares for at least the M8.2. But why would you produce 12mm parts? Edited July 18, 2015 by bernie.lcf 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted July 18, 2015 Share #40 Posted July 18, 2015 shot with Q Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/247901-leica-q-missing-the-red-dot/?do=findComment&comment=2856847'>More sharing options...
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