earleygallery Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share #21 Posted June 19, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) The latest from DPReview on the subject http://www.dpreview.com/articles/0748717592/the-future-of-dslr-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-ilc He calls it convergence but ends with "Does this mean the DSLR is dead? Don't be silly. But I'd argue that in time, the DSLR will become a niche product, as will the differentiated mirrorless. Instead, convergence will mean greater choice and more capable cameras for everyone. Long live the ILC." I'd argue that he's not fully appreciating how disruptive the trends are and that the cost of manufacture advantage that mirrorless has over DSLR will quickly swamp the economies of scale and entrenched distribution channels that the big two DSLR companies have. I've posted the actual production figures, DSLR's 10 million, ILC's 3 million. Maybe one day ILC's will dominate the market but it's a long way off based on the facts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 19, 2015 Posted June 19, 2015 Hi earleygallery, Take a look here Thoughts on the T. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
earleygallery Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share #22 Posted June 19, 2015 I doubt we will ever see a new DSLR system, from any vendor. Established systems will continue to exist, for the foreseeable future anyway, but any new system will be mirrorless. But what about the S system. That is a new DSLR system, with a new format. Why didn't Leica go mirrorless for the S? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share #23 Posted June 19, 2015 So you're judging the T a "mediocre camera" although you don't have experience with it. Let's conclude you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Which explains why you think a Canon EOS M is "very similar" to a T. No further questions your honor... As I said in another thread, based on my experience with the T (and which seems to be confirmed by some other people in the current thread on the basis of their experience with the T): it's a joy to use and it delivers excellent pictures. So by your comments I assume you own a Canon M? Do you? Well, do you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 19, 2015 Author Share #24 Posted June 19, 2015 Typical 'Leica snob' comments which I expected to be honest - how dare I mention a Canon product!!!! Even if it does have sensor cleaning and optical image stabilisation and a touch screen interface in a package that offers more than the T at a fraction of the price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 20, 2015 Share #25 Posted June 20, 2015 But what about the S system. That is a new DSLR system, with a new format. Why didn't Leica go mirrorless for the S? Well, yes. But a system within a narrowly defined niche. It is hardly representative of the DSLR market in general. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share #26 Posted June 20, 2015 Well, yes. But a system within a narrowly defined niche. It is hardly representative of the DSLR market in general. Exactly! And an APS Leica DSLR would be a similarly narrow niche. Why didn't Leica use an EVF for the S though? Any ideas? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted June 20, 2015 Share #27 Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) The T did not attract the M owners and the consumers of that type of system camera are well catered for by other camera manufacturers at price they can afford to buy a whole system. The X is a dead end waste of time too slow The Q is Leica's way out from the T non event Do a sigma and have a quad 28mm, 35mm, 50mm and 85mm you will get the M buyers ....................... and there is "I want only one great camera with a fixed lens" mob out there are a lot of those buyers out there with money to spare. Edited June 20, 2015 by Imants 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 20, 2015 Author Share #28 Posted June 20, 2015 The T's USP was the hand polished body. Seems that having a hand polished body isn't that important to most potential customers. Why did Leica think that a hand polished body wasn't appropriate for the Q? What if a T customer wants to upgrade to the Q but still wants a hand polished body? Can it be an 'a la carte' option? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 20, 2015 Share #29 Posted June 20, 2015 Exactly! And an APS Leica DSLR would be a similarly narrow niche. Why didn't Leica use an EVF for the S though? Any ideas? Because at the the time the S series were under development (at least two years prior to launch) there was no suitable (for the S series) EVF technology available. dunk 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted June 20, 2015 Share #30 Posted June 20, 2015 The T did not attract the M owners and the consumers of that type of system camera are well catered for by other camera manufacturers at price they can afford to buy a whole system. The X is a dead end waste of time too slow The Q is Leica's way out from the T non event Do a sigma and have a quad 28mm, 35mm, 50mm and 85mm you will get the M buyers ....................... and there is "I want only one great camera with a fixed lens" mob out there are a lot of those buyers out there with money to spare. X dead-end waste of time? You do realize that the X line has been around for six years now, and that other than the slow start for the X Vario (dumbest marketing campaign ever) all of the X models have very loyal user bases. T is excellent camera that produces excellent results. Its not for me (don't care for the interface), but there is no arguing with the image quality and the lens range is uniformly excellent and with the new wide and tele zooms quite complete. Q is off to a great start. Double the price of the X, but full-frame and built-in EVF. The Q is a very logical evolution of the X, but hopefully both can coexist as APS-C does have its advantages (cost, size, weight, deeper depth of field). Just because the non M Leicas aren't for you, doesn't reduce their capabilities in any way. I own the M-E, M Monochrom and some very nice Leica and vintage Zeiss lenses, but when I go out for a non-photography trip its usually the X that comes with me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted June 20, 2015 Share #31 Posted June 20, 2015 X dead-end waste of time? You do realize that the X line has been around for six years now, and that other than the slow start for the X Vario (dumbest marketing campaign ever) all of the X models have very loyal user bases. T is excellent camera that produces excellent results. Its not for me (don't care for the interface), but there is no arguing with the image quality and the lens range is uniformly excellent and with the new wide and tele zooms quite complete. Q is off to a great start. Double the price of the X, but full-frame and built-in EVF. The Q is a very logical evolution of the X, but hopefully both can coexist as APS-C does have its advantages (cost, size, weight, deeper depth of field). Just because the non M Leicas aren't for you, doesn't reduce their capabilities in any way. I own the M-E, M Monochrom and some very nice Leica and vintage Zeiss lenses, but when I go out for a non-photography trip its usually the X that comes with me. +1. I have never owned an X but I can vouch for the T which is a very well balanced system with excellent handling and image quality. It is a true Leica just like the S2 and the M9 which I also own. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted June 20, 2015 Share #32 Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) You do realize that the X line has been around for six years now and it is still as slow as ever, ideal for static objects and people being still T is camera that produces excellent results be it great at handling a slow focusing situations............................................ a shiny dud I go out for a non-photography trip its usually the X that comes with me. Thanks for confirming my argument the X is ideal for non photography Edited June 20, 2015 by Imants 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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imants Posted June 20, 2015 Share #34 Posted June 20, 2015 On the upside, they know me by name now at the Leica store, and as of today, they just hand me the Q as soon as I come in the door so I can cuddle it. Still nobody wants to come into the store to look at anything else other than the Q. And the list is almost 60 people deep now. 60 x $4250 USD = $255K USD. Not bad for just over a week of sales, for one store. Just goes to show how the X, T and Vario were a waste of time Leica should have been on this path 10 years ago Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted June 20, 2015 Share #35 Posted June 20, 2015 You do realize that the X line has been around for six years now and it is still as slow as ever, ideal for static objects and people being still T is camera that produces excellent results be it great at handling a slow focusing situations............................................ a shiny dud I don't see any reason why faster autofocus and a built-in EVF could not be applied to the next iterations of the X and T. Apparently Leica has made significant progress there, so it would only be logical that other products benefit from that as well. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted June 20, 2015 Share #36 Posted June 20, 2015 Apparently yea Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted June 20, 2015 Share #37 Posted June 20, 2015 You do realize that the X line has been around for six years now and it is still as slow as ever, ideal for static objects and people being still T is camera that produces excellent results be it great at handling a slow focusing situations............................................ a shiny dud Thanks for confirming my argument the X is ideal for non photography Non photo outing means I'm going out for some other purpose, like family, wine, travel, etc. X 113 is much faster than X1, it is considerably improved over the last six years. Your loss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 20, 2015 Share #38 Posted June 20, 2015 Just goes to show how the X, T and Vario were a waste of time Leica should have been on this path 10 years ago Please tell us which Leica camera(s) you use and if you have ever used or owned an X or T. I own and use all the X and T models and can assure you they are definitely not a 'waste of time'. Your dogmatic naysaying appears to say more about you than the cameras. dunk 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted June 20, 2015 Share #39 Posted June 20, 2015 I don't see any reason why faster autofocus and a built-in EVF could not be applied to the next iterations of the X and T. Apparently Leica has made significant progress there, so it would only be logical that other products benefit from that as well. Every iteration of X has been faster than the one before. X1 was the only that was really slow, X2 was fine in good light, with X Vario a bit better and X 113 quite quick most of the time. Where the X line always excelled, however, was manual focus, which on the Vario and 113 is arguably better than any other live view camera with the exception of the Q, which of course is newer and double the price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted June 20, 2015 Share #40 Posted June 20, 2015 Please tell us which Leica camera(s) you use and if you have ever used or owned an X or T. I own and use all the X and T models and can assure you they are definitely not a 'waste of time'. Your dogmatic naysaying appears to say more about you than the cameras. dunk He's a troll. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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