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Local hero  you missed the whole point  there are no catogries just bit players like Paul, Jaap, Jack. Paula, Simone , me and the rest and even your cohort in  heroic feats superman and his sidekick robin the gender bending wonder woman

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Imants are you happy? If shooting with a phone gives you pleasure, good for you. I think cameras and phones can coexist peacefully. I happen to like real cameras and I happen to like seeing real prints, not just screen shots or emails, and I do not think I am the only one. I just sold a print at a show so actually I am sure I'm not the only one. Maybe there are fewer of us (you seem to have left the camp) but it doesn't mean cameras like Leicas are dead any time soon despite your morbid predictions. We'll see as the marketplace will trump our opinions.

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I never said cameras  will be dead they just will evolve  even leicas  a decade ago auto  lenses where a dirty word with Leica users"........ As I stated I am still shackled to the past as I come from a film shooting background and I still shoot film at times alongside a phone, a instamatic, a point and shoot  pinhole camera  blinkandremember weddings parties and anything.

 I print a lot as most of my work consists of hand made books, spend a lot of time post processing,   I exhibit  buggerise with videos, still do some commercial stuff but no longer teach visual arts/photography instead I build drystone walls to nowhere

 

Happy to be part of the new  as the writing is on the wall

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I never said cameras  will be dead they just will evolve.....

Yes, but not all, nor everyone come to that. I was talking to a wet plate photographer the other day ..... not my scene -it was the decidedly iffy fixer he used which put me well and truly off

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A camera will do it in a thousands of a second or less plus  struggle time  ...........    getting the Q out of the bag without depreciating its resale value

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If they chuck on a great Leica lens on an i Pad  then one can snap and draw with a Leica glow ( either the image or ones glowing cheeks.)

 

 

The Panasonic  CM1 has a small screen  and apps are limited so you may as well have a Q or whatever camera has a WiFi and transfer the images to the i Pad and draw  from there.

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I'm sorry but I just don't get this thread. Most photographers I know either shoot photos as a form of artistic self-expression or they make their living behind a lens. Often both. Photography is an art form. Sure, we can use any camera or even a cell phone, but we find the whole exercise more pleasurable by using the proper tools. "Proper" in this case is small, light and discrete. Expensive? Well, yes. But I for one would rather own a tool that is well made than some cheap piece of plastic junk. Too late? Well I used a 6x9 rangefinder way back when that had a fixed 65 mm lens which was roughly equal to the Q and its 28mm. It was enormous. And it used a funny shaped SD card that only held 8 exposures. But it was perfect for landscapes and architecture. The need didn't change but the tool sure got better. Would you say the Q is 45 years too late?

No. The Q (28) is a nice addition to the Leica family. One day soon a Q 50 will no doubt follow.

I'm not sure I need one or want one but that is not because I own an iPhone. Rather, it is because I've already invested in the proper tools.

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  "Proper"  A teenager  using a  camera phone as a creative  activity, for learning, communication and enjoyment, that is a proper use of technology for interacting and participating in society.   We are all photographers now except maybe not you for the reasons you have outlined

 

 But you are welcome into the big world of image making

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ps Printmaker you must be pretty upset with those Magnum and National Geographic  photographers  who take photos with their iPhones and get accolades from their peers and the public. God dam it they should all buy the G  that will hit the spot

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We are all photographers now except maybe not you for the reasons you have outlined.

Piffle. People have always been able to take 'snaps'. Now they can distribute them more easily, that's all. Nothing has actually changed except that there are more people, more 'snaps', more ways of seeing them. Sure there have always been those who have chosen to work outside the box with equipment which is not mainstream (box brownies, whatever), but you are trying to suggest that human nature has suddenly evolved with the advent of digital equipment. it hasn't and won't. The Q will fill a niche.

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If they chuck on a great Leica lens on an i Pad  then one can snap and draw with a Leica glow ( either the image or ones glowing cheeks.)

 

 

The Panasonic  CM1 has a small screen  and apps are limited so you may as well have a Q or whatever camera has a WiFi and transfer the images to the i Pad and draw  from there.

Finally a use for my Leica pencils:-)

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 Fiddlesticks pgk you are just a  photo snob  maybe you need to start looking at what the younger generation can do  but the high quality of work would probably depress you ..................see you on instagram  I would love to see what you are capable of within a social network

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 I am sure  the Leica glow collection  have a fantastic dynamic range  but the fixed G pencil may need some help from the  monochrom  especially with the initial sketches.

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 Fiddlesticks pgk you are just a  photo snob  maybe you need to start looking at what the younger generation can do  but the high quality of work would probably depress you ..................see you on instagram  I would love to see what you are capable of within a social network

Actually I've made my living from photography for 25 years and the all too poor poor level of much specialist photography depresses me. I really can't be bothered with ephemeral social networks as they are just that as far as I can see. What you seem to fail to appreciate is that there is no 'lowest common denominator' in photography; not everything is about the now and some photography has more purpose than simply being instantly shared and dismissively gratifying.

 

We'll probably have to agree to disagree - you are correct in many instances but seem to fail to accept that there are other aspects of photography than those that you 'appreciate.

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 I actually appreciate all forms  and have exhibited  traditional autochrome potato starch  prints to  high end digital black and white an as well as smartphone stuff. I still have a functioning  darkroom with my Durst enlargers that I use, film cameras  etc now all that is not very "now"  it is a very niche part of image making  and yes it will all go in a generation or so

 You are the one who has limited himself

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 You are the one who has limited himself

And you have a problem with that?

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 Not one bit    I guess I won't see you on instagram nor in a traditional film darkroom                           adios amigo 

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