Archiver Posted June 6, 2015 Share #221 Posted June 6, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) My preference is for 28/50, but when I'm traveling I usually use the M9 + 35/1.4 at night because it is the widest and most compact fast lens I have, but I would prefer something wider. A 28/1.7 on a full frame sensor would be just grand for an everyday camera. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mike Rawcs Posted June 6, 2015 Share #222 Posted June 6, 2015 I rather hope there isn't a digital zoom - that's stuff that should only be seen on phone cams and cheap P&S models. Very un-Leica-like. Anyone can 'shoot loose' and crop later. Same thing I know but a fundamentally different approach. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 6, 2015 Share #223 Posted June 6, 2015 Well, if there is, let's hope it is buried deeply in the menu. But no big deal either way. Nobody will be forcing you to use it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rawcs Posted June 6, 2015 Share #224 Posted June 6, 2015 Well, if there is, let's hope it is buried deeply in the menu. But no big deal either way. Nobody will be forcing you to use it. True, and let's hope the menu isn't too deep anyway. If it has a digital zoom it implies that the perceived market for the camera is not the pro / advanced amateur. I'm hoping for a groundbreaking camera from Leica. Mike. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted June 6, 2015 Share #225 Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Then comes this one!!!!.... In the leaked pictures, the red dot is on the left side of the camera; but in this photo, it is on the right!!!... I wonder what this one is?... I hope another camera and interchangeable lens!... Edited June 6, 2015 by Louis2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Then comes this one!!!!.... In the leaked pictures, the red dot is on the left side of the camera; but in this photo, it is on the right!!!... I wonder what this one is?... I hope another camera and interchangeable lens!... ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/245809-leica-q-general/?do=findComment&comment=2829001'>More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 6, 2015 Share #226 Posted June 6, 2015 Well the other advantage is what appears to be it's diminutive size. FF, 28mm (I'm OK with that), and compact enough for my wife not so say 'are you really taking that bloody big camera out with us yet again?' - Priceless. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted June 6, 2015 Share #227 Posted June 6, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well the other advantage is what appears to be it's diminutive size. FF, 28mm (I'm OK with that), and compact enough for my wife not so say 'are you really taking that bloody big camera out with us yet again?' - Priceless. Mark, I wonder what your wife would say if you had a Nikon or Canon almost twice that size!?... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 6, 2015 Share #228 Posted June 6, 2015 Perfect for photogs composing in the dark room. Not my cup of tea. True if one likes the 28mm DoF. From time to time i don't mind but for day to day photos, big noses and so on, thanks no thanks. YMMV. If you crop down to 35 mm the image will be the same as an actual 35 mm one, provided you don't change position. This goes for all focal lengths. Noses (AKA perspective) and DOF (more or less) will be the same. The only difference will be the resolution. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 6, 2015 Share #229 Posted June 6, 2015 If you crop down to 35 mm the image will be the same as an actual 35 mm one, provided you don't change position. This goes for all focal lengths. Noses (AKA perspective) and DOF (more or less) will be the same. The only difference will be the resolution. Digital zooming can hardly change DoF i'm afraid. Sharp backgrounds don't become blurred when cropping from 28 to 35 or 50mm FoV. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted June 6, 2015 Share #230 Posted June 6, 2015 Anyone seen any speculation, sorry, facts about the shutter? A fully electronic option (ie silent) would be nice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 6, 2015 Share #231 Posted June 6, 2015 Digital zooming can hardly change DoF i'm afraid. Sharp backgrounds don't become blurred when cropping from 28 to 35 or 50mm FoV.sorry, they do if you print to the same size. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 6, 2015 Share #232 Posted June 6, 2015 We'll have to agree to differ then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 6, 2015 Share #233 Posted June 6, 2015 Just try the following experiment. From the same p[osition wit the same aperture tak photos with a 28 and a 90. Crop the 28 down to the 90 FOV. Apart from the resolution, the images will be identical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted June 6, 2015 Share #234 Posted June 6, 2015 Digital zooming can hardly change DoF i'm afraid. In that case the formulas for calculating depth of field would be wrong. In fact our very concept of depth of field would be wrong. But given that it has been around for many decades, I don’t think it is. Which implies that yes, digital zoom does change DoF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 6, 2015 Share #235 Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) Just try the following experiment. From the same p[osition wit the same aperture tak photos with a 28 and a 90. Crop the 28 down to the 90 FOV. Apart from the resolution, the images will be identical. They won't my friend. Look at the backgrounds. If they are sharp at 28 they won't become blurred at 90. A 90mm lens will always have a shallower DoF, at same distance and aperture of course. Edited June 6, 2015 by lct Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted June 6, 2015 Share #236 Posted June 6, 2015 On the specs it quotes 4/3 sensor. Thanks for the correction. Anyway, all the guesses and speculations could end up soon with the Q being officially announced. Usually, there are more leaks (Leica T for example) but doesn't seem to be the case this time. Yes I believe so. The difference is due to different areas of the sensor being used for the available different proportion formats. I have the LX100. 3:2 for the traditional & 1:1 for Instagram...Haah! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted June 6, 2015 Share #237 Posted June 6, 2015 (edited) In that case the formulas for calculating depth of field would be wrong. In fact our very concept of depth of field would be wrong. But given that it has been around for many decades, I don’t think it is. Which implies that yes, digital zoom does change DoF. Isn't digital zoom just in-camera cropping of the whole image by the firmware? Edited June 6, 2015 by MarkP 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 6, 2015 Share #238 Posted June 6, 2015 In that case the formulas for calculating depth of field would be wrong. In fact our very concept of depth of field would be wrong. But given that it has been around for many decades, I don’t think it is. Which implies that yes, digital zoom does change DoF. I must confess, I've always struggled with this concept. Perhaps it's an indication of being raised on standard sized negatives - depth of field is therefore only a factor of aperture and focal length. If I understand the science, as Michael summarises it, if you have an M camera with a 50 Summilux set at f/1.4, focussed on a subject at 3 metres, the depth of field (and by necessity the extent of image blur from out of focus areas) will change if you change the sensor size. We're not talking any change to the lens, or the area of best focus. If the sensor is replaced with micro 4/3, all other things being equal, the depth of field will increase - as LCT says, things which were out of focus will become in focus. Similarly, if the sensor is replaced with a medium format sensor, from, say the S camera, the depth of field will become shallower, despite the fact that nothing else has changed. I do seriously struggle with this concept. The idea that doing the same thing in post processing has the same effect doesn't help my scepticism. I can say with some confidence that cropping an image in LightRoom has no impact at all on those items in focus and those not in focus, in the same way that stitching together 30 images to make a panorama does not reduce the depth of field, making in focus images suddenly out of focus. I have come to the conclusion that we are talking at cross purposes, and that Michael really did not mean to imply that cropping an image, or even changing the sensor, if the lens, f stop and focussing distance remain the same, the depth of field changes. Logically, that makes no sense - saying that has always been the received wisdom doesn't work for me, in the same way that in history the world has been flat for far longer than it has been round (or mandarin shaped, if you prefer). I'm sure someone far smarter than me will explain - I can't guarantee I'll understand, but I will try. Cheers John Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterv Posted June 6, 2015 Share #239 Posted June 6, 2015 In that case the formulas for calculating depth of field would be wrong. In fact our very concept of depth of field would be wrong. But given that it has been around for many decades, I don’t think it is. Which implies that yes, digital zoom does change DoF. Hi Michael, now I'm confused. DOF is (amongst other things, focal distance, COC, aperture) a property of the focal length, right? So if the camera crops a 35mm FOV out of the 28mm lens, DOF calculations for 28mm would still apply, or so I thought ... Could you please explain? PS: maybe I just don't understand what digital zoom means and how it works. Thanks in advance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted June 6, 2015 Share #240 Posted June 6, 2015 ... things which were out of focus will become in focus. (...) cropping an image in LightRoom has no impact at all on those items in focus and those not in focus It may come as a surprise, but depth of field has little to do with things being in or out of focus. Depth of field merely expresses how far or how close a point in the scene must be in order to show as a perceptible disc on a standard sized print. Cropping a frame implies that you have to enlarge the remaining parts more for a print of the same size. Enlarging the image will enlarge the "circle of confusion", i.e. the disc which is in the frame in place of a nice sharp dot. Enlarging part of an image more makes things seem blurry which seemed to be sharp at a smaller scale. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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