flavio Posted May 18, 2007 Share #1 Posted May 18, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Like fly inside a red wine bottle :-) Leica R4s - 35 PA Curtagon and 60 Macro Elmarit, Kodak slides then (lab) Nikon Scanner. As previously said, the scanner did introduce a fog-like noise in all pictures I am currently proposing (Nakuru and more). Because a low resolution (7.5/8 Mb Tiff)? Any remarks very welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stuny Posted May 18, 2007 Share #2 Posted May 18, 2007 Flavio - These are promising but need work. I suggest rotating both one or two degrees to the left to make the horizon level, and then use photo processing software to adjust colors, brightness and contrast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavio Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share #3 Posted May 18, 2007 Stuart, Thanks for your advise! I have used "Aperture" in order to get a little bit better result, but difference between digital scanned pictures and original is really still great and I could not find a way to resolve. On other scanned pictures, the (what appear to my eyes) very lower contrast is less evident and was able to work them out with Aperture, while on these 2 is really very sad. The Monteriggioni pictures I sent before were scanned at 18 Mp and were a little bit better but not as the original. I understand that others Leica shooters get far better result using Tiff around 30 or higher Mp. Correct? Slides were shot some years ago and went published in an italian geographic magazine. I am pretty sure that these would be trashed away in this shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicamann Posted May 18, 2007 Share #4 Posted May 18, 2007 Yeah both images suffer from "scanner and compression issues"..you need to A) plumb the "black point".. plumb the "white point" or grey point(neutral) this will help you get better contrast and truer color..so really a need to brush up on your Photoshop skills..would suggest "scanning tutorials" and also Photoshop offers free tutorials..to start with.. To conclude ..a bad scan will and can ruin a perfectly good slide photo..the idea is to get good at the translation into the digital medium.. Regards, Leicamann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavio Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share #5 Posted May 18, 2007 Hi Leicamann, unfortunately I do not use Photoshop. Maybe I can try something similar with Aperture, though previous work gave no particular benefit (in my hand). Latest slides digital translated, lab did a better job with higher resolution and, though not that perfect, pictures went out as you can see in other photos of mine recently showed (Monteriggioni at sunset, for instance, in this theme). I am thinking to ask a re-play of the (as you said) digital translation in order to get more fine pictures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted May 18, 2007 Share #6 Posted May 18, 2007 Flavio, may I suggest you scan much higher than 18mp. About 24 is as low as I would go and 40 mp will make a significant difference. I believe your problem is more related to scanning than anything else. Buona fortuna, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavio Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share #7 Posted May 18, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) John, I agree with you, but I do not scan my slides, that's because I ask for an advise about scan resolution in my previuos message, in order to ask that resolution to my lab. Do you prefer Tiff or Jpeg? I do not plan any print from them. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted May 18, 2007 Share #8 Posted May 18, 2007 Flavio, I print TIFF's, jpegs (for me) are for the internet. There was a lot of brew-ha-ha over jpegs awhile back; many so-called experts were saying that over time and many openings of a jpeg file would result in degradation of the file. Then it was revealed on one site how one particular professional photographer was using only jpeg's for everything and her work was absolutely gorgeous. So scanning in either mode is probably okay, but you might want to use jpeg format especially if you intend to post on the internet. I have a p&s Panasonic LX-1 which captures RAW along with a jpeg for every image. There is a huge difference in the files when opened in PS. However, I've done the same with my M8 and those files do not show that much difference. What program are you using to process your files? Better yet, if you could have your own scanner you would understand the process better and then know in what areas to improve the scanning. Salute, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavio Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share #9 Posted May 18, 2007 John, first of all, many thanks for sharing your experience. Very useful. My software to process photo files is "Aperture", though I am an old analog amateur shooter who still use analog cameras and Kodak slides, but time is not still, so I have to admit how easy and fast may be use digital photo, in so many fields. So I have to choose between a digital M and a scanner. I think that at the end I'll go with an M8 (though even a small D Lux 3 is something I like), but until then I will shoot analog and will translate in digital the pictures I like more. So I think I will ask for a new translation of my old slides, in order to get a decent quality. As soon as possibile I will go back with the "new" ones. Thanks again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_dufour Posted May 19, 2007 Share #10 Posted May 19, 2007 Flavio, In order to get the best of your scan, you have to use the highest resolution and dynamic range it can give, at 1/1 scale, and taking the references of "black point" and "white point". Initially it's better don't touch the color curves, if you are not an expert. Save it in TIF format. Later, use the tools your software offers; it's the moment to change the resolution and size of your picture, before convert it to JPG to save it for the web. I dont know Aperture; I suggest you get PS, wich has a lot of very interesting tools, for improve the scan and recover what the original slide had (and good advices to learn an use it). Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marc_dufour Posted May 20, 2007 Share #11 Posted May 20, 2007 Just a late observation, Flavio: The final quality of a chain, is always determinated by its weakest link: In this case: camera, lens, film, scanner, software... and, lastly, your own work and know-how. So... Good luck ! Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavio Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share #12 Posted May 20, 2007 Thank you Marc, I do not plan to buy PS. I prefer keep my work as close as possible to the original, so Aperture (or Lightroom and similar products) is my choice. That's why I usually think so much before shot...this is not enough to say I am not wrong, of course. Anyway, on these slides, I still think the problem is the scanner low resolution arranged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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