romualdo Posted June 9, 2017 Share #41 Posted June 9, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I do think that his reviews are fact based, it is his writing style that is not very matter-of-factly by making fun of this and that along the way. Still, he examines lens sharpness under more controlled, but still real word conditions, than most other internet experts, who just post a couple of hand held shots. He gives correction numbers for lens distortion in Photoshop at various distances and so on ...So, no, I don't think KR is "distorting facts". It's more that some readers can handle the irony, others don't. If you take every single word at face value and out of context you will come to the conclusion that he is contradicting himself all the time. He isn't. It's just that some readers cannot distinguish ironic statements/jokes from factual ones. So, when he writes about a "crappy little Voigtländer lens" then this is purely ironic, you will realize that when you have read a couple of reviews, where he praises some CV lenses (he will condemn others). Same with the running joke of the "Leica man", who "of course only deserves the best". You must be able to read between the lines. This is not everybody's cup of tea, so I understand that a lot of people criticize him. In a way, he is an stylistic anti-thesis to the clinical, factual (but often confusing and sometimes indeed contradictory) writings of E. Puts. In the end, I prefer both to self-proclaimed superficial and boring Internet experts like S. Huff and the like. Totally agree & well put Here in Australia some may use the term "Takin' The Piss" but in a creative way 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pyrogallol Posted December 30, 2020 Share #42 Posted December 30, 2020 An old thread, but somewhere to post test pictures from my recently purchased 21mm f3.4 Super-Angulon. M2, FP4, Rodinal. Copies of darkroom prints. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/237734-lets-discuss-the-super-angulon/?do=findComment&comment=4108784'>More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 30, 2020 Share #43 Posted December 30, 2020 Where is the cobbled street? I'm sure it rings a bell but I can't place it. The SA still has its uses! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted December 30, 2020 Share #44 Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, pgk said: Where is the cobbled street? I'm sure it rings a bell but I can't place it. The SA still has its uses! Elm Hill, Norwich. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 30, 2020 Share #45 Posted December 30, 2020 No. Must look like somewhere else too. Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2020 Share #46 Posted December 31, 2020 Happens 2 me, 2 Cheers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan mcfall Posted January 3, 2021 Share #47 Posted January 3, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just a shot of my early f/4 Super-Angulons. Two in original screw mount, and one for the M body. All from 1959. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/237734-lets-discuss-the-super-angulon/?do=findComment&comment=4111089'>More sharing options...
TLG Posted August 29, 2023 Share #48 Posted August 29, 2023 A question for anyone how knows? If a Super Angulon 21mm f4 is a screw mount fitted with a M-Mount adapter, is it still classed as one of the 1,500 "screw mounts" produced or does the 1,500 refer strictly to SA 21 f4s with no screw holes for adapters? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted August 30, 2023 Share #49 Posted August 30, 2023 On 12/30/2020 at 3:04 PM, Pyrogallol said: An old thread, but somewhere to post test pictures from my recently purchased 21mm f3.4 Super-Angulon. M2, FP4, Rodinal. Copies of darkroom prints. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The lens I used for these pictures two years ago was a black one. I have just bought another, an earlier chrome one, which has the infinity catch unlike the black one. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted August 30, 2023 Share #50 Posted August 30, 2023 Not popular thread, but two Super-Angulon around here Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/237734-lets-discuss-the-super-angulon/?do=findComment&comment=4846859'>More sharing options...
UliWer Posted August 30, 2023 Share #51 Posted August 30, 2023 Am 29.8.2023 um 20:04 schrieb TLG: If a Super Angulon 21mm f4 is a screw mount fitted with a M-Mount adapter, is it still classed as one of the 1,500 "screw mounts" produced or does the 1,500 refer strictly to SA 21 f4s with no screw holes for adapters? Like with other lenses which were sold as LTM as well as M-mount versions: if the M-"adapter" was fixed at the factory the item will not qualify as an original screw mount version. I'd call a lens with removed M-Mount a faked "screw mount". I don't know where the number of 1,500 LTM Super-Angulons 21/4 comes from. The list I have give a much larger number, though you cannot be sure whether these published numbers are right, as you don't know wther all items in a certain batch were really made and whether there wasn't a mix of LTM and M-versions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos cruz Posted September 21, 2023 Share #52 Posted September 21, 2023 I believe that there should be some super angulon lenses converted that don’t adhere to to m5 “safe numbers”. I am looking for information on how to spot “m5 safe” converted super angulon, apart from obvious serial number over 2473251? Which part of the mount is converted is it 6 o’clock part of m mount? Can someone share some knowledge on the topic? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 24, 2023 Share #53 Posted September 24, 2023 (edited) Hello Carlos, Welcome to the Forum. There are actually a number of lenses that need to be adapted before the lenses will function on an M5 without causing damage. The meter will not function with that individual lens once the modification is made. When the M5 was current Leitz would make this modification to previously purchased lenses. Many of these modified (Or, not modified) lenses can do damage & will NOT work on a (film) Leitz/Leica CL. or its variations. What needs to be done is for the lens to have a "cutout" in the BAYONET mount so that the bayonet mount does not cause the metering arm to move into the measuring position. Because, when there is no lens mounted on the camera the metering arm drops down to the floor of the camera so that it is protected from damage. Putting on a lens with a regular bayonet mount will raise the metering arm to the measuring position when the shutter is cocked, or is cocking. When making an exposure: Sufficient pressure on the shutter release, releases the arm, which then falls out of the image path & into its protected position prior to the exposure being made. The BAYONET lenses that need this modification are: 21mm f4 Super Angulon lenses. If the bayonet is an adapter which comes off: Only the adapter needs to be modified. Any original screw mount 21mm f4 Super Angulon lenses must have a modified adapter for safe use on an M5. 21mm f3.4 Super Angulon lenses below serial number 2 473 251 28mm f2,8 Elmarit lenses below serial number 2 314 921 ALSO: Lenses with DETACHABLE viewfinders that interfere with the M5 cover plate need to be adapted: 35mm f3.5 Summaron with detachable viewfinder 50mm f2 Dual Range Summicron & detachable viewfinder. Best Regards, Michael Edited September 24, 2023 by Michael Geschlecht 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos cruz Posted September 24, 2023 Share #54 Posted September 24, 2023 11 hours ago, Michael Geschlecht said: Hello Carlos, Welcome to the Forum. There are actually a number of lenses that need to be adapted before the lenses will function on an M5 without causing damage. The meter will not function with that individual lens once the modification is made. When the M5 was current Leitz would make this modification to previously purchased lenses. Many of these modified (Or, not modified) lenses can do damage & will NOT work on a (film) Leitz/Leica CL. or its variations. What needs to be done is for the lens to have a "cutout" in the BAYONET mount so that the bayonet mount does not cause the metering arm to move into the measuring position. Because, when there is no lens mounted on the camera the metering arm drops down to the floor of the camera so that it is protected from damage. Putting on a lens with a regular bayonet mount will raise the metering arm to the measuring position when the shutter is cocked, or is cocking. When making an exposure: Sufficient pressure on the shutter release, releases the arm, which then falls out of the image path & into its protected position prior to the exposure being made. The BAYONET lenses that need this modification are: 21mm f4 Super Angulon lenses. If the bayonet is an adapter which comes off: Only the adapter needs to be modified. Any original screw mount 21mm f4 Super Angulon lenses must have a modified adapter for safe use on an M5. 21mm f3.4 Super Angulon lenses below serial number 2 473 251 28mm f2,8 Elmarit lenses below serial number 2 314 921 ALSO: Lenses with DETACHABLE viewfinders that interfere with the M5 cover plate need to be adapted: 35mm f3.5 Summaron with detachable viewfinder 50mm f2 Dual Range Summicron & detachable viewfinder. Best Regards, Michael Thank you Michael for detailed explanation, you wouldn’t have any images showing how bayonet was modified, how deep is this cut out? I believe that’s 6 o’clock part that actuates light meter on m5, but I can’t find any confirmation on my guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 24, 2023 Share #55 Posted September 24, 2023 Hello Carlos, I don't have any equipment to send a photo/drawing to the Forum. Keep looking. There are photos around showing the cutout. Best Regards, Michael 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 24, 2023 Share #56 Posted September 24, 2023 Hello Carlos, If you look at Page 9 of James Lager's "Leica Illustrated Guide III" 1979 you will find a photo of the cutout on a 21mm f 3.4 Super Angulon. Best Regards, Michael 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted September 24, 2023 Share #57 Posted September 24, 2023 Basically it is lenses that protrude too far into the camera. Wind the camera on to bring the meter arm into position so you can measure the distance from the flange to the meter, deduct a bit for safety and compare that to your lenses that might be a problem. On my CL film camera the meter arm is about 20mm down from the lens flange. A Super Angulon is about the same distance and should not be used. A Zeiss Biogon 21mm is about 14mm and is ok to use. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/237734-lets-discuss-the-super-angulon/?do=findComment&comment=4863869'>More sharing options...
Pyrogallol Posted September 24, 2023 Share #58 Posted September 24, 2023 Another 21mm lens that is ok to use, Voigtlander 21mm f4 Color-Skopar, screw with bayonet adaptor. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/237734-lets-discuss-the-super-angulon/?do=findComment&comment=4863892'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted November 3, 2023 Share #59 Posted November 3, 2023 I have to admit that my 21/4 R mount Super Angulon has sat on a shelf gathering dust, ever since I got the 21-35/4 Vario Elmar, which is at least the S-A's equal at 21mm with the convenience of being able to zoom and alter the framing as needed. As I am now often sitting on a mobility scooter on a path or pavement, I no longer have the facility to use my built in zoom (my legs and feet). The 21-35 is also a first class performer on my M10-R, using the Visoflex 2 for focusing. I have an LTM CV 21/4, which lives on my Ig Leica, as a film point and shoot. I just leave it at the hyperfocal distance all the time. It is just about an OK lens and certainly better than my first CV 21/4, which I had, that was so de-centred as to be unusable. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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