meliaphoto Posted October 24, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 24, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, Really enjoying working with my new X, if any Leica chaps are looking, any chance of looking into giving the user a choice of shooting in RAW format only? Great to have the option of JPEGS if I was in a hurry but most of the time I'm not and it slows the workflow down having to seperate and delete all the JPEGS. Next firmware update maybe? Please... Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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agreenspan Posted October 24, 2014 Share #2 Posted October 24, 2014 I have the X Vario, and it's the same thing. The camera was designed to use the JPEG for image review on the screen, so we are kind of stuck with that. Here's a way to use it to your advantage: Set the JPEG setting to B&W. That way, you will be able to quickly see all of your images in black and white on your computer, and you will already know which ones will look good that way, saving time on conversion (assuming you like B&W) Anyway, the OOC JEPEGs from these x cameras are some of the best on earth. Hope this helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meliaphoto Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted October 24, 2014 That's a good idea thanks, will give it a try but will still probably prefer to hand tweak my own B&W from the RAW. Not sure why the Leica should be technically different in that respect though from my Nikon as that shoots RAW only without JPEGS, unless it's a trait of DNG? Cheers, phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted October 24, 2014 Share #4 Posted October 24, 2014 I have the X Vario, and it's the same thing. The camera was designed to use the JPEG for image review on the screen, so we are kind of stuck with that. .... I agree with your point of viewing mono -at times. I have a preset just for that purpose. But Leica do not need a jpeg purely for previewing images on screen. They could be easily discarded as in the case of other cameras which can set Raw-only capture. The OP is right; many would like that singular option of Raw-only capture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meliaphoto Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted October 24, 2014 I agree with your point of viewing mono -at times. I have a preset just for that purpose. But Leica do not need a jpeg purely for previewing images on screen. They could be easily discarded as in the case of other cameras which can set Raw-only capture. The OP is right; many would like that singular option of Raw-only capture. Looking at the screen in B&W brings back fond memories of shooting 5x4 in the 90's and having to preview shots with Type 54 B&W polaroid as colour Polaroid was poor quality, a lot more exoensive and took three times longer to develop. Great for tonal awareness but not sure I want to go back to that method for most of the time. Many thanks for the post, cheers, phil Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
euston Posted October 25, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 25, 2014 Great to have the option of JPEGS if I was in a hurry but most of the time I'm not and it slows the workflow down having to seperate and delete all the JPEGS. Next firmware update maybe? Please...Thanks I, too, would prefer to have the option of only recording raw files but I can’t see that there’s all that much of a penalty in having to record a JPG along with the DNG. You do lose a small amount of card capacity but it shouldn’t slow down your image processing workflow if you’re using Lightroom. Make sure you uncheck Treat JPEG files next to raw files as separate photos in the General pane of Lightroom Preferences and all you’ll see on your computer screen are the DNGs. There’ll be no need to separate and delete any JPEGs. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meliaphoto Posted October 26, 2014 Author Share #7 Posted October 26, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I, too, would prefer to have the option of only recording raw files but I can’t see that there’s all that much of a penalty in having to record a JPG along with the DNG. You do lose a small amount of card capacity but it shouldn’t slow down your image processing workflow if you’re using Lightroom. Make sure you uncheck Treat JPEG files next to raw files as separate photos in the General pane of Lightroom Preferences and all you’ll see on your computer screen are the DNGs. There’ll be no need to separate and delete any JPEGs. Thanks for the information, will test this out next week as I'm new to Lr as my workflow is normally handled by CaptureOne. The card space they occupy would never really be a concern to me. However, surely by not removing the jpegs from your assgnment folder on the computer they will still be there occupying space on my hard drive and ultimately on my storage drives. Through professional experience, my own personal preference is not to have thousands of unwanted files per year taking up storage space or having two versions of the same referenced jpeg on my system. (One camera file and one processed file) Yes, there's always workarounds that can be done but my main question is still the same, can it be technically achieved by Leica to give the user an option to shoot only in RAW when other camera manufacturers can? If the answer is no, then fair enough, work arounds it will be. Thanks for your imput, much appreciated Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 27, 2014 Share #8 Posted October 27, 2014 Next firmware update maybe? Please... I’d say it is unlikely. The X1, X2, X Vario, and now the X (Typ 113) do not support shooting raw only, so why would Leica suddenly change their mind and issue a firmware update changing that? We have had these debates ever since the X1, btw.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meliaphoto Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted October 27, 2014 I’d say it is unlikely. The X1, X2, X Vario, and now the X (Typ 113) do not support shooting raw only, so why would Leica suddenly change their mind and issue a firmware update changing that? We have had these debates ever since the X1, btw.. As a new Leica user I was unaware that Leica have a history of not supporting a 'RAW only option' for shooting or that this debate has been ongoing for a while hence my query. As a professional photographer for over thirty years and having digital experience for approximately half of that time with Nikon and Leaf digital backs, the 'raw option only' is a feature I've always had with my high end pro camera manufacturers. As to "why would Leica suddenly change that" the answer is that I wouldn't know until I've asked the question and got a straight answer. If these debates have been ongoing for a while, I presume you've had a technical explanation from Leica? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted October 27, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 27, 2014 The JPEG stored alongside the raw file serves as a high-resolution preview so the camera doesn’t have to create it on the fly. The alternative would be to embed this preview in the raw file, to no obvious advantage. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timde Posted October 27, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 27, 2014 As a new Leica user I was unaware that Leica have a history of not supporting a 'RAW only option' for shooting or that this debate has been ongoing for a while hence my query. Normally, when shooting "RAW Only" the camera will embed a low-resolution JPEG preview image into the RAW file. This is done to allow review on the LCD as a RAW file cannot be displayed itself. The benefit of using a higher resolution JPEG (RAW + JPEG) is the ability to review critical focus/exposure (histogram etc) and other things more accurately. The JPEG files are also smaller which is better for Wifi sharing etc. The general solution to your problem is to only import RAW files, Aperture can do this easily (but Aperture is suffering for Apples race to the bottom), for LR I found the following option with 5 minutes of googling: "Treat jpg files next to RAW files as separate photos" Perhaps that will help? In any case, Leica's implementation is fine by me ... not that it matters what I think, but this is a workflow issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meliaphoto Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share #12 Posted October 27, 2014 Normally, when shooting "RAW Only" the camera will embed a low-resolution JPEG preview image into the RAW file. This is done to allow review on the LCD as a RAW file cannot be displayed itself. The benefit of using a higher resolution JPEG (RAW + JPEG) is the ability to review critical focus/exposure (histogram etc) and other things more accurately. The JPEG files are also smaller which is better for Wifi sharing etc. The general solution to your problem is to only import RAW files, Aperture can do this easily (but Aperture is suffering for Apples race to the bottom), for LR I found the following option with 5 minutes of googling: "Treat jpg files next to RAW files as separate photos" Perhaps that will help? In any case, Leica's implementation is fine by me ... not that it matters what I think, but this is a workflow issue. Many thanks for your imput, really interesting. I'll have to have look to see if I can get LR to view the files 'By Type' along with the option of 'treating jpegs next to raw files as seperate photos', that way it will be easy to import only the raw. My previous attempts have been tedious as I've had to option click on each jpeg throughout the whole folder. Many thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted October 28, 2014 Share #13 Posted October 28, 2014 Many thanks for your imput, really interesting. I'll have to have look to see if I can get LR to view the files 'By Type' along with the option of 'treating jpegs next to raw files as seperate photos', that way it will be easy to import only the raw. My previous attempts have been tedious as I've had to option click on each jpeg throughout the whole folder. Many thanks Do the following in Lightroom: From the menu choose Edit, then Preferences, go to tab General and untick the option "Treat JPEG files next to raw files as separate photos". Then the jpegs will be ignored by lightroom. That should solve your problem. You should not have to do anything else, it is as simple as that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meliaphoto Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share #14 Posted October 28, 2014 Do the following in Lightroom: From the menu choose Edit, then Preferences, go to tab General and untick the option "Treat JPEG files next to raw files as separate photos". Then the jpegs will be ignored by lightroom. That should solve your problem. You should not have to do anything else, it is as simple as that. Many thanks for your suggestion, much appreciated. However, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, I don't want to accumulate thousands of unwanted jpegs on either my hard drive or storage drives. I also want to avoid having two versions of the same jpeg showing identical filenames (one processed and one camera jpeg). Hence my naive query about wanting to shoot raw only which obviously isn't going to happen based upon what I've learned from this forum in the last week. It looks like my best option is to get LR to show the camera jpegs and the raw files 'by file type' and then I can delete the camera jpegs with two or three clicks of the mouse. Many thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
waloszek Posted October 28, 2014 Share #15 Posted October 28, 2014 I just stumbled over the following thread in the Ricoh forum at dpreview (Indistinct Ricoh GR raw image on LCD screen: Ricoh Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review). There you can see what happens or how some users react, when it is the other way round, that is, when no JPEG is stored together with the RAW image (it's for the the Ricoh GR, which also allows RAW+JPEG...). Quite instructive ... Best regards, Gerd 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
byroncheung Posted May 27, 2017 Share #16 Posted May 27, 2017 I agree with your point of viewing mono -at times. I have a preset just for that purpose. But Leica do not need a jpeg purely for previewing images on screen. They could be easily discarded as in the case of other cameras which can set Raw-only capture. The OP is right; many would like that singular option of Raw-only capture. yea i tried delete the jpeg files on the card and put the card back into a leica x-u camera, still can preview the pictures on the camera, there is indeed no good reason not to support dng only mode... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted May 27, 2017 Share #17 Posted May 27, 2017 yea i tried delete the jpeg files on the card and put the card back into a leica x-u camera, still can preview the pictures on the camera, there is indeed no good reason not to support dng only mode... Have you also tried looking at the previews at different magnification scales? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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