Jeffry Abt Posted July 17, 2014 Share #21 Â Posted July 17, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Â I hope this helps. Let me know if I need to draw that for you, happy to help. Â Thanks! Â Yes,please! I'm having a hard time visualizing.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 17, 2014 Posted July 17, 2014 Hi Jeffry Abt, Take a look here Magic of Leica APO-Summicron-M 50mm + M240. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
faranstudio Posted July 21, 2014 Author Share #22  Posted July 21, 2014 Beautiful setup ! I hope that Leica and Sinar find a way to integrate the M camera into the CaptureFlow software. I find it better for tethering than LR.  Agreed! Let's hope that happens soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted July 22, 2014 Share #23  Posted July 22, 2014 I used to own Summilux 50mm 1.4 (latest version), APO feels much sharper and cleaner with better contrast. I own Noctilux 0.95 and they are completely for different purposes. If I had to pick one, I would go with APO 50mm. APO has a wider range of usability.   I find this very interesting  I am thinking of buying a 50mm "mega lens", either the APO or the Noctilux (second hand of course) I am purely amateur, so its for fun only  I have the Summilux already.  The bokeh and isolation of the noctilux is something special but it seems like a bit of a one trick pony, given the general weight issue as a walk about lens, although its one hell of a trick  The APO seems to be a more generally useful lens, not only the weight and the subtleness of it, but effectively a summicron on steroids in terms of detail.  Not really sure what do. The other advantage of the APO is that it could effectively replace the Summilux as a general usage lens but I don't think the Noctilux could  ho hum ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted July 22, 2014 Share #24 Â Posted July 22, 2014 Have used 50 Apo lenses started to appear on the used market? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted July 22, 2014 Share #25 Â Posted July 22, 2014 Isn't it a "prised from my cold dead fingers" object? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 22, 2014 Share #26  Posted July 22, 2014 Not really sure what do. The other advantage of the APO is that it could effectively replace the Summilux as a general usage lens but I don't think the Noctilux could  Comparing the Noctilux to the APO Summicron is like comparing night and day (really ). If you like the Noctilux wide open character, then there is no choice. I believe the APO Summicron is overpriced for its performance. I would rather buy a "cheap" Otus or an "outrageously-cheap" Sigma Art 50 for my reflex camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted July 23, 2014 Share #27 Â Posted July 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Have used 50 Apo lenses started to appear on the used market? Â Yes, on occasion you see them in the classifieds. Given the regular waiting times involved when buying from a dealer, these are often gone quickly. Prices are understandably close to new - no real savings here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted July 23, 2014 Share #28 Â Posted July 23, 2014 Comparing the Noctilux to the APO Summicron is like comparing night and day (really ).If you like the Noctilux wide open character, then there is no choice. I believe the APO Summicron is overpriced for its performance. I would rather buy a "cheap" Otus or an "outrageously-cheap" Sigma Art 50 for my reflex camera. Â Rent one and you might develop a different point if view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted July 23, 2014 Share #29 Â Posted July 23, 2014 I've been waiting months for an APO 50mm. I'll wait on. (I've thought about settling for the 75mm APO) It seems as if no one says the 50mm APO lens is not top notch as to technical capabilities. I want a lens to get out of the way....it is up to the photographer to bring character, panache etc. to the image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted July 23, 2014 Share #30 Â Posted July 23, 2014 I want a lens to get out of the way ... This is exactly what the Apo-Summicron-M 50 mm Asph will do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted July 23, 2014 Share #31 Â Posted July 23, 2014 Rent one and you might develop a different point if view. Â Ok, I will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faranstudio Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share #32  Posted July 24, 2014 I find this very interesting I am thinking of buying a 50mm "mega lens", either the APO or the Noctilux (second hand of course) I am purely amateur, so its for fun only  I have the Summilux already.  The bokeh and isolation of the noctilux is something special but it seems like a bit of a one trick pony, given the general weight issue as a walk about lens, although its one hell of a trick  The APO seems to be a more generally useful lens, not only the weight and the subtleness of it, but effectively a summicron on steroids in terms of detail.  Not really sure what do. The other advantage of the APO is that it could effectively replace the Summilux as a general usage lens but I don't think the Noctilux could  ho hum ......  If you are planning to own one 50mm, then go with 1.4. The lens characteristics is very good when it couples with M240. Nice bokeh and contrast with good ergonomic and balance on M240. Hope this helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidigital Posted July 24, 2014 Share #33 Â Posted July 24, 2014 If you are planning to own one 50mm, then go with 1.4. The lens characteristics is very good when it couples with M240. Nice bokeh and contrast with good ergonomic and balance on M240. Hope this helps. Â I used to think that. I just sold my 50lux and won't be looking back. I'm thrilled with what I'm seeing/getting with the 50 APO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faranstudio Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share #34 Â Posted July 24, 2014 I've been waiting months for an APO 50mm. I'll wait on. (I've thought about settling for the 75mm APO) It seems as if no one says the 50mm APO lens is not top notch as to technical capabilities. I want a lens to get out of the way....it is up to the photographer to bring character, panache etc. to the image. Â 75mm APO is a great lens for portraiture with nice bokeh and contrast but very different than 50mm APO. I couple 35mm FLE 1.4 with 75mm when I need to take two lenses with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faranstudio Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share #35  Posted July 24, 2014 I find this very interesting I am thinking of buying a 50mm "mega lens", either the APO or the Noctilux (second hand of course) I am purely amateur, so its for fun only  I have the Summilux already.  The bokeh and isolation of the noctilux is something special but it seems like a bit of a one trick pony, given the general weight issue as a walk about lens, although its one hell of a trick  The APO seems to be a more generally useful lens, not only the weight and the subtleness of it, but effectively a summicron on steroids in terms of detail.  Not really sure what do. The other advantage of the APO is that it could effectively replace the Summilux as a general usage lens but I don't think the Noctilux could  ho hum ......  I would go with 50mm APO if your choice is between these two. Noctilux is heavy and only offers a very specific/unique/limiting look for specific assignments and usage. I hardly would take Noctilux out with me on daily basis. Unless you really need to shoot under f 2.0 then 1.4 and 0.95 are the only options as far as I know.  Here is one of the shots that I got with Noctilux which was perfect for the look that I was looking for. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/230447-magic-of-leica-apo-summicron-m-50mm-m240/?do=findComment&comment=2636359'>More sharing options...
colonel Posted July 24, 2014 Share #36  Posted July 24, 2014 Erwin putts conclusions on the APO: "The experience of the lens can be compared to tasting an outstandingly good Scotch whisky: once you notice the quality and superior flavor, you are lost and you do not want to settle for less. This will surely happen to anyone using the ASCR50 for some time. "  On the other hand Sean Reid also praises the APO but questions the cost/performance ratio especially compared to the Summilux and, surprisingly, the Summarit which he seems to rate very highly, perhaps even hinting at higher then the normal Summicron.  I wonder how much sharper the APO is compared to the Summilux at f2 ?  I find the Summilux is sharpish at f1.4 but from f2 it starts to be tack around the centre with contrast and colour depth kicking in. By 2.8 the whole smorgasbord kicks in  Does anyone know if someone has actually compared the MTA at f2 with these two lenses ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted July 24, 2014 Share #37  Posted July 24, 2014 It is much sharper and with higher contrast at f2.0 than either Summilux asph or Noctilux asph  john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted July 24, 2014 Share #38  Posted July 24, 2014 It is much sharper and with higher contrast at f2.0 than either Summilux asph or Noctilux asph john  another interesting comparison: The APO seems sharper but the Summilux seems higher contrast: More Tests of the Apo-Summicron-M 2.0/50mm Asph. | Wild Places  From what I have read the Noctilux is not sharper then the Summilux anywhere in the range and is less sharp in most of it  rgds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted July 24, 2014 Share #39  Posted July 24, 2014 another interesting comparison:The APO seems sharper but the Summilux seems higher contrast: More Tests of the Apo-Summicron-M 2.0/50mm Asph. | Wild Places  From what I have read the Noctilux is not sharper then the Summilux anywhere in the range and is less sharp in most of it  rgds  I remember reading a test somewhere, I will try and find it, of the Noctilux and Summilux being neck and neck but the differences being very small. At times the Summilux is marginally sharper and at times the Noctilux is marginally sharper. But it dances around in that manner from stop to stop with generally the Summilux being marginally sharper wide open and the Noctilux taking the edge stopped down.  In terms of comparisons, Digiloyd has a well done one between Summicron, APO-Summicron, Summilux and Noctilux. I'm not a subscriber any longer but I remember an OMG moment, and and very noticeable difference with the APO, enough for me to want one on the spot. Sharpness is one thing, there is also colour, contrast, tonality, micro-contrast and flat field. The others looked weak in comparison (they obviously aren't though!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted July 24, 2014 Share #40 Â Posted July 24, 2014 Another interesting comparison: The Apo-Summicron seems sharper but the Summilux seems higher contrast:More Tests of the Apo-Summicron-M 50 mm 1:2 Asph | Wild Places That guy's problem is, he doesn't see the forest for all the trees. Â Sure, the Apo-Summicron does have slightly better edge sharpness, somewhat less lateral chromatic aberrations, and slightly higher resolution of fine details, compared to the Summilux-M 50 mm Asph. And yes, all these advantages are very nice but not really worth the extra money. Â What actually makes the Apo-Summicron-M 50 mm Asph worthwhile is the magnificent clarity, the transparency, and the way how it gets out of the way. Your captures will be all picture, no lens. However in order to understand this, you need to stop testing and to start using this lens. Look at the forest, not at the trees. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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