LocalHero1953 Posted May 23, 2014 Share #61 Posted May 23, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) I welcome a new lens like this. But I'd be happier if they could produce the ones they already have in their catalogue first - I'm still expecting my order for an APO Summicron 50 to be fulfilled in two years time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rramesh Posted May 24, 2014 Share #62 Posted May 24, 2014 My concern with Leica moving to fast lens like the 28 Summilux is that they will soon drop the 28 Elmarit. Seems that their desire to strive for complexity at any price is drive them to higher and higher price points. Leica is not even effectively promoting their excellent Summarits the same way as other M lenses (notice that it is kept in a lesser band on the website along the lines of fast, compact and Summarit. Whatever that means I am not sure.). Leica Elmarits were the best lenses out there but today several have been discontinued, like the 21, 24 and 90. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a911s Posted May 24, 2014 Share #63 Posted May 24, 2014 IMO, the Leica M is too big and so are the wide angle Summilux lenses. I'd rather use a Canon 5D III and a 24 1.4. It only weighs 330 gms more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted May 24, 2014 Share #64 Posted May 24, 2014 My concern with Leica moving to fast lens like the 28 Summilux is that they will soon drop the 28 Elmarit. Seems that their desire to strive for complexity at any price is drive them to higher and higher price points. Leica is not even effectively promoting their excellent Summarits the same way as other M lenses (notice that it is kept in a lesser band on the website along the lines of fast, compact and Summarit. Whatever that means I am not sure.). Leica Elmarits were the best lenses out there but today several have been discontinued, like the 21, 24 and 90. Any concern about Leica dropping the 28/2.8 is currently just rumour. I too would hope that Leica could focus next to these halo lenses, showing their engineering abilities on extending the Leica Summarit line at a competitive price point. I would like to see a complete line of lenses from 21mm - 135mm, which should be ideally in a price range competitive with offerings for comparable lenses form Carl-Zeiss for Sony or alike. These lenses should be 2.5 through the range with exception of the 21mm and 135mm, which both could be f4 lenses. The focus on this Summarit line should be small size, competitive price, even if it would mean a complete production in Portugal or OEM supplier in Japan. The current M lens line in the premium range with "Made in Germany" labelling, high speeds, finest materials and specs are moving into a price range often impossible to purchase for many aspiring photographers. The Leica M-E and the first Summarit-M lenses were a great start into the right direction, offering Leica quality at a more accessible price point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted May 24, 2014 Share #65 Posted May 24, 2014 Super Elmar 21mm is already near f4, Telyt 135mm also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted May 24, 2014 Share #66 Posted May 24, 2014 Personally I really have no use for a 28/1.4. The 28 cron is my most used lens on the the M and I use it a 100% of the time for street work where I tend to zone focus and stop down to 2.8-4. I just find this new lens to be to big for the M's OVF/RF as it will cover to much of the view, the 28 FOV is already almost to much for the viewfinder window as you have the frame-lines so close to the edge that you have to hunt around a bit to see everything that is going on. Anyway if I had to sell all my gear and could only keep one leica lens it would be the 28 cron asph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 24, 2014 Share #67 Posted May 24, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Personally, I'm going to wait and see before rushing to judgement. If it is a nice addition to the 28 Summicron, I might well be interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted May 24, 2014 Share #68 Posted May 24, 2014 Lux lenses are great, but I think this is the moment for a new set of zoom lenses for the M system. The Tri-Elmar is a real vario lens, in the range of 16-21mm. A new 21-35 and 35-50 will be great. The M and any new version of this camera have practical EVFs, and now zooms are perfectly useable with a M camera. Now we have new possibilities. The Macro adapter is an example. For me, this is more important than 21, 24, 28 or 75 Summilux lenses for the real photographer. The f/1.4 lenses were necessary with low sensitivity films or with primitive digital sensors, but now size and price should have more weight in the equation determining the optimal portfolio of Leica M lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 24, 2014 Share #69 Posted May 24, 2014 Not having an M(240), my interest remains in good primes with improved performance across all apertures at all distances. I expect this new lens to be an improvement across the board, and not just be an extra stop variant. I'll wait and see - my experience has been that the Summiluxes and the Noct bring more than just speed - sometimes not necessarily good things ... I do agree that liveview brings opportunities for high quality zooms, proper macro and other lenses (long telephotos) Leica should exploit. They need to get the EVF right though - maybe this year's Photokina? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted May 25, 2014 Share #70 Posted May 25, 2014 Not having an M(240), my interest remains in good primes with improved performance across all apertures at all distances. I expect this new lens to be an improvement across the board, and not just be an extra stop variant. I'll wait and see - my experience has been that the Summiluxes and the Noct bring more than just speed - sometimes not necessarily good things ... I do agree that liveview brings opportunities for high quality zooms, proper macro and other lenses (long telephotos) Leica should exploit. They need to get the EVF right though - maybe this year's Photokina? I bet for Photokina 2014. The key elements for a good experience with EVFs in the M are: 1, a good EVF (resolution, contrast, latency); 2, a powerful processor; and 3, a sensor with electronic shutter for faster operation in live view mode. The third factor is as important as the other two. Anyway, at this moment the M 240 is good enough providing a better experience with the TriElmar 16-21 than any other M camera and the frankenfinder. I would like to buy a wide-angle lens blow 35mm. The SuperElmar 21 is a good option but considering the modest aperture of these new generation lenses, I would pay more for a f/4 moderate zoom. The TriElmar 16-21 is really good, and small despite the extremely short lengths in the range (16mm). A new 21-35mm lens should be easier to design and smaller in size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2014 Share #71 Posted May 25, 2014 Had a look at it behind glass yesterday in Wetzlar. Quite about the same size as my 1.4/24, which is older than the M9. No data sheet with MFT of the new lens yet. The whole Leicapark complex is very elegant and functional, but nothing grand, no chi-chi elements. The staircase for example is a master piece, but without Carrara and with a white painted steel hand rail. You can tell they absolutely love glass and it makes it being something very special - with the aid of expert cleaners, as time will go by. It was a great event Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted May 25, 2014 Share #72 Posted May 25, 2014 Do you know where to find one? Sorry. Mine was bought years ago in my home country and I will not part with the Dual. I have seen one on sale at RFF. I see that there is a Dual at Gumtree com au on sale. Dante Stella has a very good piece on the lens. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 25, 2014 Share #73 Posted May 25, 2014 Quite about the same size as my 1.4/24, which is older than the M9. Which is about the same size as my 1.4/21 Summilux (and too much finder blockage to use without an external optical or electronicVF) and similar bulk/weight to my 1.0/50 Noctilux. So too big as an everyday lens irrespective of whether it's performance is better than the 2.0/28 Summicron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted May 25, 2014 Share #74 Posted May 25, 2014 Sorry. Mine was bought years ago in my home country and I will not part with the Dual. I have seen one on sale at RFF. I see that there is a Dual at Gumtree com au on sale. I have friends in Tokyo right now. Is there a shop I can send them to that might have one? sent from a phone with auto-correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 25, 2014 Share #75 Posted May 25, 2014 Refrained from getting the 1.4/21 which is quite a bit larger than the 1.4/24mm. Also because I used a M8 and the film Ms not so often. You having a 21 might be tempted by this new lens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted May 25, 2014 Share #76 Posted May 25, 2014 I may have the opportunity of getting one locally. What can you tell me about this interesting lens? I bought my dual Konica long time ago locally. I coded the lens as 24mm elmarit and the correction works fine with my M8 and M9. I use the Dual alongside my Konica 50/1.2 on my M5 as a travel kit and the lens is wonderful on film. I am not concerned with the distortion on the wide end on digital, it is correctable. Dante Stella's site has a really good article on the Konica Dual 21-35 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/227478-so-there-will-be-a-28mm-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=2596640'>More sharing options...
MarkP Posted May 25, 2014 Share #77 Posted May 25, 2014 Refrained from getting the 1.4/21 which is quite a bit larger than the 1.4/24mm.Also because I used a M8 and the film Ms not so often. You having a 21 might be tempted by this new lens Hi Tri, I posted earlier in this thread (#47) why I 'm NOT interested in the 1.4/28 Summilux. Regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenicolas Posted May 25, 2014 Share #78 Posted May 25, 2014 I use the Dual alongside my Konica 50/1.2 on my M5 as a travel kit and the lens is wonderful on film. Funny, this is the other lens I'm very curious about. (but I do know where to find a 50) Are you happy with the 50 on digital? The only thing stopping me from buying one is I read they are not always a good match for digital Leica... sent from a phone with auto-correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted May 25, 2014 Share #79 Posted May 25, 2014 Funny, this is the other lens I'm very curious about. (but I do know where to find a 50) Are you happy with the 50 on digital? The only thing stopping me from buying one is I read they are not always a good match for digital Leica... sent from a phone with auto-correct. My copy is very good mechanically and I am sure that the wide open the focus is spot -on ( when I am lucky to nail the focus on the right plane). Some ppl reported that Konica lenses need special adjustment for correct focusing on the Leicas, I was lucky with my Konica glass. They worked well on all of my Leicas and I had quite a few. The 50/1.2 is wonderfully smooth on the M9 and has a very pleasing skin rendering at f1.2 -2.8. It lacks the character of the f.1.0 Noct or a bite of the f1.4 SX wide open and it is huge compared to the ZM Sonnar, but I see no problems with digital. I use it on my M9 often and used it on the M240, I had for a while. I sold all my Noctilux lenses and most of my Summiluxes and kept the Konica because it's 60mm. filter size matches the size of the Dual's filter thread. I can share the filters between the lenses. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/227478-so-there-will-be-a-28mm-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=2596788'>More sharing options...
01af Posted May 25, 2014 Share #80 Posted May 25, 2014 Some ppl reported that Konica lenses need special adjustment for correct focusing on the Leicas ... This is just a myth, originating from a misunderstanding with regard to the Leica M and Konica M bayonets' flange distances (which seem to be slightly different according to published tech specs but actually are exactly the same). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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