paulsydaus Posted May 19, 2014 Share #1 Â Posted May 19, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) You guys are probably already aware of this but according to one dealer the 28/2.8 has or will be imminently discontinued which can only mean one thing; the arrival of the 28/1.4... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wattsy Posted May 19, 2014 Share #2  Posted May 19, 2014 You guys are probably already aware of this but according to one dealer the 28/2.8 has or will be imminently discontinued which can only mean one thing; the arrival of the 28/1.4...  Sounds unlikely. Not the arrival of a Summilux (after all, Leica will want to show some new stuff this autumn) but the idea that a £5000 lump is a logical replacement for the handy little £1400 Elmarit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted May 19, 2014 Author Share #3 Â Posted May 19, 2014 Why would the 1.4 replace the 2.8? That's not what I said at all. In fact it's very logical if a 1.4 is introduced that Leica won't continue to produce 3 28's and discontinue the 2.8... I thought that part was obvious... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted May 19, 2014 Share #4  Posted May 19, 2014 Why would the 1.4 replace the 2.8? That's not what I said at all. In fact it's very logical if a 1.4 is introduced that Leica won't continue to produce 3 28's and discontinue the 2.8... I thought that part was obvious...  Not really. Leica have three 35's in the catalogue, four 50's. Who says (other than you) that it is "obvious" that Leica won't have three 28's available?  Let me rephrase my previous point to avoid the word "replacement":rolleyes:. Does it seem likely that Leica will discontinue the £1400 Elmarit in order to allow the introduction of a £5000 Summilux (because apparently there is some immutable law that they can only offer two 28's at any one time), thus making the £3000 Summicron the cheapest 28mm lens available? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelwj Posted May 19, 2014 Share #5 Â Posted May 19, 2014 Not really. Leica have three 35's in the catalogue, four 50's. Who says (other than you) that it is "obvious" that Leica won't have three 28's available? Â Forgot the summarit, that makes 5 50's (2 crons, 1 lux, 1 nocti, 1 summarit) Â Personally I think they will only discontinue the 28 elmarit when there is a 28 summarit to replace it with, makes no sense otherwise. Â Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen.w Posted May 19, 2014 Share #6 Â Posted May 19, 2014 The Elmarit 28 is a flawless lens (to fault, if you believe some on this Forum) and is one of the few Leica lenses which still represents something approximating value for money. I'm sure they sell loads. Why would they discontinue it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 19, 2014 Share #7 Â Posted May 19, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) ..... imminently discontinued which can only mean.. Â Yippee! They'll be having a end of line sale, prices slashed, get down to your local store today! Â Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 19, 2014 Share #8 Â Posted May 19, 2014 The Elmarit 28 is a flawless lens (to fault, if you believe some on this Forum) and is one of the few Leica lenses which still represents something approximating value for money. I'm sure they sell loads. Why would they discontinue it? Usually it means that the optical glass is no longer available. If this is the case for this lens, I do not know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted May 19, 2014 Share #9 Â Posted May 19, 2014 The 28 Elmarit is truest to 'little camera big picture', delivers fabulous performance, has M build quality at close to Summarit price and provides more than enough speed for today's digital sensors. (I get by quite well with it using film.) A 1.4/28? Bring it on, the Summicron is over-priced anyway, and a 1.4 will help re-assert Leica's optics prowess in the face of Otus & Co. But until there's something more than mere rumor this is a tempest in a teapot. Â Thanks! s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted May 19, 2014 Share #10  Posted May 19, 2014 ... according to one dealer the 28/2.8 has or will be imminently discontinued ... Says who?  Just because one obscure dealer is spreading a rumour, this rumour does not have to be true necessarily.  Even if Leica brings a Summilux-M 28 mm Asph in the foreseeable future—there is no reason not to have three 28 mm lenses in the line-up. And even if one 28 mm is going to be discontinued, it might just as well be the Summicron. In fact, in the case of the arrival of a 28 mm Summilux, I'd consider the subsequent discontinuation of the Summicron (unlikely but still) more likely than the discontinuation of the Elmarit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bephoto Posted May 19, 2014 Share #11 Â Posted May 19, 2014 Why would the 1.4 replace the 2.8? That's not what I said at all. In fact it's very logical if a 1.4 is introduced that Leica won't continue to produce 3 28's and discontinue the 2.8... I thought that part was obvious... Â thats where you are wrong, they have 4 50mm they gonna make the same all over the system :roll eyes: Â 28mm f/2.8 is their best-selling lens ever in the current catalogue!!! there is no reason to get rid of it unless a flatter smaller better version is coming out but not a heap of glass sticking out of the camera with a 1.4 Flag on top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 20, 2014 Share #12 Â Posted May 20, 2014 Yes it would be good if Leica went back to basic's with a new era of smaller lenses. I know it is in their DNA to push the boundaries of lens design, but it is also in their DNA to make usable camera's and lenses that go beyond 'gear' and push the boundaries of photography. Â Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 20, 2014 Share #13 Â Posted May 20, 2014 Yes but digital sensors prefer telecentric lenses which are not the smaller ones unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 20, 2014 Share #14 Â Posted May 20, 2014 The 4/3 and micro4/3 format is based around telecentric lenses and I think Olympus and Panasonic do small quite well. Â Â Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted May 20, 2014 Share #15  Posted May 20, 2014 The 4/3 and µ4/3 format is based around telecentric lenses ... That's just a myth. No interchangeable lens for still-image cameras is or ever was telecentric. A few lenses for industrial or scientific applications are, and maybe also a few build-in lenses for small-format digital point-and-shoot cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 20, 2014 Share #16  Posted May 20, 2014 That's just a myth. No interchangeable lens for still-image cameras is or ever was telecentric. A few lenses for industrial or scientific applications are, and maybe also a few build-in lenses for small-format digital point-and-shoot cameras.  Looks like you wrote this. Unless you find faults in it Digitale bildgebende Verfahren: Bildaufnahme – Wikibooks, Sammlung freier Lehr-, Sach- und Fachbücher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 20, 2014 Share #17 Â Posted May 20, 2014 The 4/3 and micro4/3 format is based around telecentric lenses and I think Olympus and Panasonic do small quite well. ... I have no experience with these lenses but it is easier to make smaller lenses for smaller formats like 4/3 i guess. Yet the 4/3 AF PanaLeica 25/1.4 (63 x 54mm) is significantly bulkier than equivalent manual FF lenses like Summilux 50/1.4 asph (53 x 54mm), Summilux 50/1.4 pre-asph (55 x 47mm) or Sonnar-C 50/1.5 (56 x 45mm). Hard to believe that the PanaLeica 25/1.4 could be smaller if it were an AF 35/1.4 for APS-C or an AF 50/1.4 for FF cams then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsydaus Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share #18 Â Posted May 20, 2014 All, might have been wrong on this, more than happy to admit when I make a mistake! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 21, 2014 Share #19 Â Posted May 21, 2014 I have no experience with these lenses but it is easier to make smaller lenses for smaller formats like 4/3 i guess. Yet the 4/3 AF PanaLeica 25/1.4 (63 x 54mm) is significantly bulkier than equivalent manual FF lenses like Summilux 50/1.4 asph (53 x 54mm), . Â Something of a mean description, given the 25mm PanaLeica is the same length and has a focus motor in it. How would a 50mm FF Summilux look with AF? Oh, and lets not forget, while the PanaLeica Summilux may therefore be fatter than the Leica because of the electronics' it does focus internally, so doesn't get any longer when close focusing. Â Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted May 21, 2014 Share #20 Â Posted May 21, 2014 How would a 50mm FF Summilux look with AF? Far from a "new era of smaller lenses" i'm afraid . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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