juju01 Posted February 8, 2014 Share #1 Â Posted February 8, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) One question I haven't been able to answer definitively is the performance of the new 50 APO on the 240. There are a lot of samples of the 50 APO on the Monochrome - I like that output a lot. Been wondering if black and whites from the 240 paired with the APO is on par. Any thoughts on the issue? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 8, 2014 Posted February 8, 2014 Hi juju01, Take a look here 50 Summicron APO + M240. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
erudolph Posted February 8, 2014 Share #2  Posted February 8, 2014 I have mostly shot it on the Monochrom, as you said, but looking back through the files, I like the images with the 50mm AA on an M. Including the first photo I took with the M, of my little dog, which is the last of the images below. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/221691-50-summicron-apo-m240/?do=findComment&comment=2528222'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 8, 2014 Share #3  Posted February 8, 2014 Looks good, but I’m sure that it is utterly impossible to see any difference with the classic Summicron on a web JPG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 8, 2014 Share #4 Â Posted February 8, 2014 I think the differences between the standard and apo can be seen, even in small jpgs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted February 9, 2014 Share #5 Â Posted February 9, 2014 I have posted a few APO50 images taken with my M's. They are most always among my favorites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pajamies Posted February 9, 2014 Share #6  Posted February 9, 2014 Here is a night shot with the Leica M and APO Summicron 50/2 ASPH, that was repaired at Solms Aug - Nov 2013. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/221691-50-summicron-apo-m240/?do=findComment&comment=2528813'>More sharing options...
juju01 Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share #7 Â Posted February 9, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) How do you guys rate this lens against the Summilux FLE ? Â Thanks for all the interesting responses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted February 9, 2014 Share #8 Â Posted February 9, 2014 How do you guys rate this lens against the Summilux FLE ? Â * Both the front and back focus to out-of-focus rendering of the APO are silky, silky, silky smooth. This smoothness is good, but not fully matched, by the Lux. Â * The Lux doesn't have the same crisp in-focus rendering as APO when the lenses are at or near wide open. This contributes to a stronger 3D-rendering of the APO. Â * The out-of-focus rendering of the APO is even more neutral than that of the Lux. Â * The distortion of the APO is almost non-existent, wheres the Lux shows some variations (so APO is better for stitching/panoramas). Â * The focus plane of APO is flat at all apertures, whereas the Lux swings a little. Â * APO shows some, but rather delicate, light fall-off at f2; negligible fall-off at other apertures. Somewhat stronger light fall-off on the Lux. Â * APO is slightly smaller than the Lux (hardly an argument for getting the APO though). Â * On the down-side, as we know...: Large variations between the copies of the first generation of the APOs, particularly regarding loss of central contrast. High price. Â In summary: APO is the favorite of mine (I happen to have a copy that is fairly resistant to flaring). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted February 9, 2014 Share #9  Posted February 9, 2014 * On the down-side, as we know...: Large variations between the copies of the first generation of the APOs, particularly regarding loss of central contrast. High price.  …f/2 vs f/1.4? I might argue that the 3D rendering of the Lux is greater due to the shallower DOF, but it's a debatable point.  Certainly the advantages of the APO are almost exclusively realized in large prints. If you mainly exhibit your work online or seldom print larger than A3 then the advantages of the APO become greatly diminished, except for bragging rights. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 9, 2014 Share #10 Â Posted February 9, 2014 Look at the transparency of the APO, the colour purity, the way it handles the highlights. The detail it resolves and the linear sharpness, the lack of aberrations and zero distortion. All this can be seen on jpgs on screen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted February 9, 2014 Share #11 Â Posted February 9, 2014 Look at the transparency of the APO, the colour purity, the way it handles the highlights. The detail it resolves and the linear sharpness, the lack of aberrations and zero distortion. All this can be seen on jpgs on screen. Â It's a question of degree, most of the advantages of the APO can only be seen in large prints. Trying to see the differences in your typical internet jpeg is impossible for most. Â It is extremely difficult seeing the difference between Medium Format digital and M240 files on screen. Even with A3 prints most people cannot tell the difference between Fuji X100S, Leica M240 and Leica S2 files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted February 9, 2014 Share #12 Â Posted February 9, 2014 Can't agree with you there Stephen. I think the difference between medium format and 35mm digital, M240 or D800, is like a smack in the face, even on small jpgs. Â The difference in bit depth alone is the the most obvious thing. with 14 bit capture having 16000+ possible values for each colour channel whilst 16 bit capture has 65000+ possible values for each colour channel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted February 9, 2014 Share #13 Â Posted February 9, 2014 Stephen I shot an image with David Farkas of Dale photo right next to me and both shots taken within in seconds of each other. It was my first trip with the APO +M240 and he was using an S with APO 120 and focus stacked his seven or eight images. I shot at f8 due to extreme DOF I wanted. Most have agreed that even on the internet the M240 image takes the cake. Â Both of these images are viewable on the Reddot forum under Keys trip. What is your opinion? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted February 10, 2014 Share #14 Â Posted February 10, 2014 We play a game in Hong Kong where we print high quality A3 images from Fuji X100S, M240 and S2. The images are shot so that the difference in sensor DOF is not emphasized, and then take the prints around to camera shops and show them to fellow photographers. So far nobody has been able to tell the difference. In the real world, not +100% pixel peeping on a monitor but viewing A3 and A4 size prints, there is very little difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted February 10, 2014 Share #15 Â Posted February 10, 2014 We play a game in Hong Kong where we print high quality A3 images from Fuji X100S, M240 and S2. The images are shot so that the difference in sensor DOF is not emphasized, and then take the prints around to camera shops and show them to fellow photographers. So far nobody has been able to tell the difference. In the real world, not +100% pixel peeping on a monitor but viewing A3 and A4 size prints, there is very little difference. Â Stephen Agree the real end game is printing. That makes it a full circle for me too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted February 10, 2014 Share #16 Â Posted February 10, 2014 StephenI shot an image with David Farkas of Dale photo right next to me and both shots taken within in seconds of each other. It was my first trip with the APO +M240 and he was using an S with APO 120 and focus stacked his seven or eight images. I shot at f8 due to extreme DOF I wanted. Most have agreed that even on the internet the M240 image takes the cake. Â Both of these images are viewable on the Reddot forum under Keys trip. What is your opinion? Â Â Can you post a link to those images? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted February 10, 2014 Share #17  Posted February 10, 2014 Here goes:  http://www.reddotforum.com/showthread.php/1003-Images-from-Florida-Keys-and-Everglades-Photo-Adventure  Post#1 images taken with S near end of images see 2nd image of brick arches  Then compare to Post #11 taken with M240+APO50-same brick arches taken within minutes of S images, but it was one M240+APO50 image. Post #10 is also with M240, the first images I took with the camera. Used wide R 15/2.8 a lot.  Also take a look at post #21 on page 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted February 10, 2014 Share #18 Â Posted February 10, 2014 Beautiful images - reminds me of Scandinavian summer light (yes, we are all biased, I guess...). Â The arch images are very, very good. It's of course hard to compare the image in post #11 with the Leica S one due to differences in post-processing etc. But your arch images sing, no question about that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erudolph Posted February 10, 2014 Share #19 Â Posted February 10, 2014 I have not had the 50mm AA on the M since it returned from Solms (it's been on the MM). As a result of this and another thread, I went out today to grab some shots, to get a quick and non-rigorous impression of how the lens is behaving in color; dewilde says of his serviced example "originally the lens was more colorful and more contrasty." Â The sky here is gray today, whereas most of my first M/50mmAA shots were taken in sunny weather, not a great situation for making this comparison. After shooting I had a couple of impressions. First, the lens today on the M does not seem to have reduced contrast or less snappy chroma - although admittedly on the MM I have taken some images that had less contrast than expected. The second impression from today, and a very strong one, is that of 50mm AA's transparency: what you see is what you get! Â I hope this helps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imsilly Posted February 10, 2014 Share #20 Â Posted February 10, 2014 All I can say is that the S type pictures blow away the M type pictures. Â And that the S type sensor is horribly dirty and needs a clean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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