Julian H Posted February 4, 2014 Share #1  Posted February 4, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi  Just about to buy my first user M, either an M4 or M6. I have my eye on a one of each to go and see this weekend so am very excited.  Trying to keep it real, my preferred budget for the lens is minimal. I love the original Summarit look and would love to have one except the cost and it is chrome. I much prefer black.  Are there any other options out there? I don't need f1.5, f2 would suffice. I don't really expect to get the exact look of a Summarit, but something similarish would be great.  Cheers, Julian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jip Posted February 4, 2014 Share #2 Â Posted February 4, 2014 Take a look at the 50mm Summarit-M it has a more classical look than the Summicron etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian H Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share #3 Â Posted February 4, 2014 Hi. Â Thanks for your quick reply. I am aware of the newer Summarit but its a bit beyond what I want to pay at the moment. Â Cheers, J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 4, 2014 Share #4 Â Posted February 4, 2014 Most of the older Leica lenses are chrome and black versions of some lenses are rare and expensive. Â Either learn to like chrome or think about one of the Voigtlanders. If your budget is really tight try a Russian Jupiter 8. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 4, 2014 Share #5 Â Posted February 4, 2014 One of the earliest post-war 50mm Elmar-M lenses would be an option. Or, an early Summicron from the 1960s. The latter produces some fine imagery on my film-Ms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian H Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share #6  Posted February 4, 2014 Most of the older Leica lenses are chrome and black versions of some lenses are rare and expensive. Either learn to like chrome or think about one of the Voigtlanders. If your budget is really tight try a Russian Jupiter 8.  The Voigtlander 50mm Nokton is certainly an affordable option, also available in black. Black is a preference, not the be all and end all though. I also have seen a Zeiss 50 f1.5 and i wonder what that would be like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian H Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share #7  Posted February 4, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) One of the earliest post-war 50mm Elmar-M lenses would be an option. Or, an early Summicron from the 1960s. The latter produces some fine imagery on my film-Ms.  Hi  I have not seen any affordable Summicrons out there. Would i get one for less than around £500 or am i just being daft? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted February 4, 2014 Share #8 Â Posted February 4, 2014 http://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=34_36&products_id=7240 http://www.croydonphotocentre.co.uk (one listed under screw mount) Â Perhaps you need to look harder Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian H Posted February 4, 2014 Author Share #9  Posted February 4, 2014 http://www.reddotcameras.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=34_36&products_id=7240Croydon Photo Centre (one listed under screw mount)  Perhaps you need to look harder  Hi, not really keen on a collapsable but the other one looks like a real option! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted February 5, 2014 Share #10 Â Posted February 5, 2014 You can find Summicron and summarit 50's for between 700-900 euro second hand. Â Also the Elmar 50nn f2.8 is a real good lens! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted February 5, 2014 Share #11  Posted February 5, 2014 Julian, I take it we're discussing lens design or looks here as opposed to rendering. If you want a black lens that resembles the original Summarit in design then the closest, methinks, is the original Summilux but that will be out of budget. The latest pre-asph Summicron is slightly similar design-wise but not really the same (and is also more than £500). The modern Summarit-M f/2.5 imho doesn't look at all like the original Summarit.  I have a Summicron III which can be had for within your budget if one looks around (I think photohaus.de or if it was Meister Camera had one for 500€ not long ago). Looks-wise it draws more from the latest pre-asph Summicron than the Summarit, but it is still not ugly. And it performs incredibly well, too. I can't link to more images but it's described here in the Wiki. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted February 5, 2014 Share #12 Â Posted February 5, 2014 Either learn to like chrome or think about one of the Voigtlanders. If your budget is really tight try a Russian Jupiter 8. Â I think this is really smart advice. I'm not sure about the market where you live, but in Hong Kong it's not difficult to find nice 35mm and 50mm lenses for a few hundred dollars US. Not Leica, but Voigtlander, Jupiter, Canon LTM (use with adapter) are all good options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted February 5, 2014 Share #13 Â Posted February 5, 2014 Hi, not really keen on a collapsable ... Â Why? It is a really good lens, and in terms of the imagery it produces is closer to the Summarit 1.5 than the other lenses that have been suggested. And there is no need to collapse the lens if you don't like that, just keep it extended! Â Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted February 5, 2014 Share #14  Posted February 5, 2014 Why? It is a really good lens... Andy  It's an excellent lens, and an excellent suggestion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian H Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share #15  Posted February 5, 2014 Hi  Thankyou very much for all the contributions. Its all very useful..  The physical appearance of the lens is not important other than preferring black. It looks like i am going to need to forget that and go chrome if I stay with a Leica or re-think my budget. Sure, maybe a Voigtlander, I am very open to that as an option. The Nokton 50 f1.5 (not current version) looks good? Not sure what the image fingerprint is like though. Why not collapsable? Don't know, something in me is resisting, no real reason.  Julian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted February 5, 2014 Share #16  Posted February 5, 2014 Hi Thankyou very much for all the contributions. Its all very useful..  The physical appearance of the lens is not important other than preferring black. It looks like i am going to need to forget that and go chrome if I stay with a Leica or re-think my budget. Sure, maybe a Voigtlander, I am very open to that as an option. The Nokton 50 f1.5 (not current version) looks good? Not sure what the image fingerprint is like though. Why not collapsable? Don't know, something in me is resisting, no real reason. Just FYI - Here's my LTM black Nokton on my M6. I primarily use it on my M5, as the size handles better. Except for dim light use I prefer the rendering of a Summicron - but the Noktons are very good lenses. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/221496-want-a-f15-summarit-but/?do=findComment&comment=2526468'>More sharing options...
Julian H Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share #17  Posted February 5, 2014 Hi Tom  Thanks for your reply. What does the 'cron have over the Nokton for you please? Is your Nokt the earlier or current model?  Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted February 5, 2014 Share #18 Â Posted February 5, 2014 Thanks for your reply. What does the 'cron have over the Nokton for you please? Is your Nokt the earlier or current model? The picture is the earlier model. I also have the most recent model in Chrome. Optically they are supposed to be the same, but I tend to get better results with the earlier one. Being an engineer with no artistic sense, I'm not sure how to describe the difference I see in the Summicron. Perhaps, because I'm an old film guy it just looks more natural to me. I think the Nokton is equally sharp, but the Summicron shows textures better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted February 5, 2014 Share #19 Â Posted February 5, 2014 Just a thought, but you mentioned that your "preferred lens budget is minimal." What if you switched priorities and made your camera budget minimal and put the emphasis on the lens instead. That could mean maybe a Zeiss Ikon, Konica Hexar RF, or Bessa with a Leica lens. Or a budget priced M2. It's the lens that reveals itself in the photograph and not the camera, and the best part of Leica are their optics (at least for me.) Â Anyway, it's just another way of thinking about it and so I'm just tossing it out there only as an option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpattison Posted February 5, 2014 Share #20  Posted February 5, 2014 I'm assuming the M4 you are going to look at is chrome, or else your budget will be blown! Therefore a chrome lens is ideal (if the "look" is everything)  Chrome lens on a black M6 is also a good look!  Aside from fashion, the original 1.5 summarit is an ideal lens for B&W film, it has the softness that makes a fine print superb, not contrasty to give a good tonal range that's hard to emulate with modern lenses.  see... http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m-lenses/253049-view-through-older-glass.html  John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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