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Is this normal for 90 Elmarit-M


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I just picked up a 90mm Elmarit-M and noticed something I had not seen before with the aperture blades.

 

When set at f2.8 (wide open) they are pretty much out of the way when you look through the lens.

 

When you stop the lens down half a stop, f2.8 and a half, the aperture looks like this:

 

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Very jagged.

 

When you stop the lens down a full stop, f4.0, the aperture smooths out somewhat like this:

 

 

And it's not until you stop the lens down another half stop, f4.0 and a half, that the aperture smooths completely out like I am used to seeing aperture blades.

 

For anyone who has this lens, is this normal for the lens, or does this one need to be serviced?

 

Thanks for any and all info on this.

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It is fairly common across a wide range of Leica M lenses, especially pre-1990 lenses. Mostly due to the size constraints of fitting blades into a small lens (and also keeping the aperture action linear, so that the stops marked on the ring are spaced equally.)

 

90 Tele-Elmarit: http://kenrockwell.com/leica/images/90mm-f28-tele/D3S_5203-1200.jpg

 

90 Summicron from the 60s-70s: http://www.kenrockwell.com/leica/images/90mm-f2/silber/D3S_9780-1200.jpg

 

Some of the Schneider/Leica Super-Angulon 21mm lenses could only fit 4 blades, so the aperture was always a square.

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It is fairly common across a wide range of Leica M lenses, especially pre-1990 lenses. Mostly due to the size constraints of fitting blades into a small lens (and also keeping the aperture action linear, so that the stops marked on the ring are spaced equally.)

 

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Well, you might call your explanation an euphemism for limiting production costs. Did you ever look at the blades of an old f4/90mm Elmar? The most constraint 90mm lens as far as fitting blades into it, but - very round even between f-stops. With the first Elmarit they started to reduce the number of the blades, which resulted in odd shapes especially between f-stops. The late 3-lens version of the 90mm-Elmar -excellent as it is- also shows these odd shapes.

 

Most famous example is the 50mm Summitar: the wartime and first post-war versions had round shape of blades, the later version had a hexagonal shape - same lens, same size of the housing, just cost-reduction. With the more expensive collapsible Summicron they came back to the round shape.

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It does impact the pictures.

 

I have the same thing on my Summilux 75 at mid apertures and it chops up the bokeh on certain things like trees. Personally I find it distracting in some cases, and it's something I always aware of with some busy OOF areas at these apertures.

 

It just depends on the what the subject is, but busy detailed bokeh, like trees, looses it's smoothness and become choppy when you get a star shaped aperture.

 

Sometimes it works because it looks painterly, it just depends on what you are shooting and if it suits the image. But it pays to take note of what apertures, give what shapes, so you can be aware of it when shooting.

 

I suspect the diminutive size of an M lens makes a round aperture harder to achieve, from an engineering perspective. This is one of the main reasons a lenses character will change through out an aperture range. It's actually one of the first things I look at when I get a new lens so I know what to expect.

 

f4 and 1.4

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