lct Posted January 19, 2014 Share #21 Â Posted January 19, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) The same way as yours. I have both in my hands right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Ansel_Adams Posted January 19, 2014 Share #22 Â Posted January 19, 2014 The same way as yours. I have both in my hands right now. Â Then I dont understand why your camera would lean forward... Min stays perfectly vertical. 90g is not going to make much difference to a 600 g camera body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 19, 2014 Share #23  Posted January 19, 2014 The 35/2 asph is heavier and taller. Doesn't make much difference but it is significant actually. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/220334-which-version-of-35mm-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=2513238'>More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 19, 2014 Share #24 Â Posted January 19, 2014 lct - That is a nice comparison. I didn't know there was that much difference. My 35 v.5 is my smallest Leica lens and I always thought it was about as small as it got. I enjoy the compact size of the v.5 and I imagine the v.4 (now that I see it) is even more compact on the camera. So, which do use or prefer? Â Nice little lens. I wish the false Leica folklore wasn't started 17 years ago about it being the Bokeh King. It might still be possible to buy if the Bokeh King thing hadn't been started. I am sure most know the story that Mike from TOP reviewed the lens in a photography magazine and coined this phrase about the smooth OOF blur at mid aperture, and then he regretted ever saying it. It really never had anything to do with the wide open bokeh of the lens. Â The Online Photographer: A New 'King of Bokeh'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ansel_Adams Posted January 19, 2014 Share #25 Â Posted January 19, 2014 The 35/2 asph is heavier and taller. Doesn't make much difference but it is significant actually. Â The Cron ASPH is one of the smallest lenses in the Leica line... If you are finding it top heavy then I suggest you move to a different platform because it doesn't get much smaller. Yes, the version IV was shorter/lighter but also performs not quite as good as the ASPH. Â Given you already own the LUx I really dont know what your problem is... A 50 mm lens must seem like a long tele to you! Â p.s. The version V is only 1.5mm longer than the version II and III. The version IV was a particularly short lens, not really representative of the rest of the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ansel_Adams Posted January 19, 2014 Share #26 Â Posted January 19, 2014 Here's a recent one of mine with the V5... winter has finally reached southern Spain... Â Chimenea by - Antonio Russell -, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ansel_Adams Posted January 19, 2014 Share #27 Â Posted January 19, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) And here is one with the V5 shot at f2: Â f2 by - Antonio Russell -, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 19, 2014 Share #28 Â Posted January 19, 2014 The Cron ASPH is one of the smallest lenses in the Leica line... If you are finding it top heavy then I suggest you move to a different platform because it doesn't get much smaller. Yes, the version IV was shorter/lighter but also performs not quite as good as the ASPH... I've never said that the 35/2 asph is top heavy or that the 35/2 v4 performs better and i don't need you to know if i'm right or wrong to have chosen Leica Ms for 30+ years with respect. Just stating obvious facts about the size of my own lenses. If you want to know my opinion about the latters just read my post above instead of putting others' words in my mouth: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2606737-post7.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 19, 2014 Share #29 Â Posted January 19, 2014 lct - That is a nice comparison. I didn't know there was that much difference. My 35 v.5 is my smallest Leica lens and I always thought it was about as small as it got. I enjoy the compact size of the v.5 and I imagine the v.4 (now that I see it) is even more compact on the camera. So, which do use or prefer? ... Hi Rick i do think that the 35/2 v4 has one of the most pleasing OoF rendition among my 35mm lenses, which doesn't mean that it is always the best. What i like in this lens is its size, its bokeh and its Mandler rendition sort of. Same for the Summicron 40/2 which is even smaller. What i like in the 35/2 asph is sharpness at fast apertures and a more modern rendition that matches well my other asph lenses like 28/2.8 (which is indeed smaller), 50/1.4, 75/2, 90/2 and others. Size wise all the following lenses are smaller than the Summicron 35/2 asph actually: Summarit 50/2.5 & 35/2.5 (not by much), Elmarit 28/2.8 asph, Summilux 35/1.4 pre-asph, Summicron 35/2 v4, Summicron-C 40/2, Summaron 35/2.8, Summaron 35/3.5, Elmar 35/3.5, Hektor 28/6.3 and of course Elmars 50/3.5 and 50/2.8 when they are retracted. Which am i forgetting? Elmarit-C 40/2.8 and...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 20, 2014 Share #30 Â Posted January 20, 2014 ....Which am i forgetting? Elmarit-C 40/2.8 and...? All other Summicrons 35 of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. B Posted January 20, 2014 Share #31 Â Posted January 20, 2014 I prefer the V5 ASPH. If you are enlarging your prints then you can go larger with more detail etc. compared to the previous versions. I think it is also easier to get a copy in excellent condition compared to previous versions. Â For the price I think the ASPH is the best value for the $$$. Looking on eBay there is often just a few hundred $$ between the different versions. I would rather have the newer lens myself. Â But to be honest, once you print your work (and I am talking darkroom prints), there isn't really much difference between how they look. The ASPH has a slightly narrower DOF compared to the previous versions up to about f5.6 where they equal out, which some-people interpret as the previous Crons having nicer bokeh, but actually its just narrower DOF, so images can have more pop to them with the ASPH as a result, and backgrounds appear more blurred. Â But beware, there is a certain nostalgia that afflicts many on the web who hang on to what has gone before, somewhat irrationally. No doubt the ASPH will be much sought after when its replacement is announced... remember the V4 was not considered anything special until decades after its replacement! Â Photography is after all a nostalgic pursuit. Photographers are nostalgic people. Images not considered anything special at the time, take on a special quality decades later. The Vivian Maier phenomenon. We do not appreciate the present. We are always looking back. We are obsessed with capturing time. Perhaps it is a fear of death. Â I like what you said about nostalgia. I hold on to a 35 mm Summaron 2.8 because it was my fathers. He bought it new in 1965. I remember him using it for several years. He gave it to me a few years before he died as he no longer took photographs. I would part with all my Leica equipment before I would part with that old google eyed lens. You are probably correct about the ASPH version. Mr. B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 20, 2014 Share #32 Â Posted January 20, 2014 I like what you said about nostalgia. I hold on to a 35 mm Summaron 2.8 because it was my fathers. He bought it new in 1965. I remember him using it for several years. He gave it to me a few years before he died as he no longer took photographs. I would part with all my Leica equipment before I would part with that old google eyed lens. You are probably correct about the ASPH version. Mr. B Â I also have the 35 Summaron 2.8 and it is one of my favorite lenses. The 2.8 Summaron draws with a very precise but smooth way. It is compact (about as big as lct's picture of his 35 V4). It is heavy and well built. You don't often see good copies sold very often. The M mount versions is seldom listed. I'm not sure if that is because people tend to hang on to them or if the were not produced in large numbers. Excellent classic Leica lens. We are fortunate to be able to shoot so many of these classic lenses on or current M digital cameras. Â I first came by this lens several years ago when a friend of mine who shoots film told me about it. It is his favorite lens. You have a very special lens from your father. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ansel_Adams Posted January 20, 2014 Share #33  Posted January 20, 2014 I've never said that the 35/2 asph is top heavy or that the 35/2 v4 performs better and i don't need you to know if i'm right or wrong to have chosen Leica Ms for 30+ years with respect.Just stating obvious facts about the size of my own lenses. If you want to know my opinion about the latters just read my post above instead of putting others' words in my mouth: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2606737-post7.html  Not putting words in your mouth, you stated that the 35/2 was "front heavy" in your post above, which we then went on to debate at length....  The rest I think you need to calm down :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ansel_Adams Posted January 20, 2014 Share #34 Â Posted January 20, 2014 Size wise all the following lenses are smaller than the Summicron 35/2 asph actually: Summarit 50/2.5 & 35/2.5 (not by much), Elmarit 28/2.8 asph, Summilux 35/1.4 pre-asph, Summicron 35/2 v4, Summicron-C 40/2, Summaron 35/2.8, Summaron 35/3.5, Elmar 35/3.5, Hektor 28/6.3 and of course Elmars 50/3.5 and 50/2.8 when they are retracted. Which am i forgetting? Â The 35 ASPH is one of the smallest lenses Leica currently manufacture (the lenses you mention are all out of production, but even amongst out of production lenses the ASPH is similar in size to the version II and III which are considered to be very compact lenses). Â I was just shooting with mine this morning. It is tiny, and to be honest I felt no front heavy tilting at all. Lovely lens to use. Very smooth focus. Very well built. A classic with its own very distinct personality. Different to the II, II, IV. I can see why people own both. I wouldn't mind owning a version III myself to run along side the ASPH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 20, 2014 Share #35 Â Posted January 20, 2014 ...I really do like the small size and light weight of the V4, it makes the camera much less front heavy. Not sure how you can say the Cron ASPH is front heavy... The 35/2 asph is less front heavy the 35/1.4 FLE for sure but more so than the tiny 35/2 v4. Not putting words in your mouth, you stated that the 35/2 was "front heavy" in your post above, which we then went on to debate at length... Challenging the obvious won't be getting us anywhere Ansel_Adams. I suggest you ignore me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ansel_Adams Posted January 20, 2014 Share #36 Â Posted January 20, 2014 Challenging the obvious won't be getting us anywhere Ansel_Adams. I suggest you ignore me. Â That is a very contentious statement to say the least, given the evidence discussed above! I think we will just have to agree to disagree here. Like I said, my M6 with 35 ASPH attached is not at all front heavy, not even in comparison to the V4. Camera when hung from its strap remains perfectly vertical. Ditto in the hand. A front heavy lens would tilt the camera forwards, and this does not happen. I do not feel the lens pulling the camera forwards/down at all. Obviously the lens is not "front heavy". Â I think there are other more valid criticisms one could make of the ASPH version... but overall it is still an excellent lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. B Posted January 22, 2014 Share #37  Posted January 22, 2014 I also have the 35 Summaron 2.8 and it is one of my favorite lenses. The 2.8 Summaron draws with a very precise but smooth way. It is compact (about as big as lct's picture of his 35 V4). It is heavy and well built. You don't often see good copies sold very often. The M mount versions is seldom listed. I'm not sure if that is because people tend to hang on to them or if the were not produced in large numbers. Excellent classic Leica lens. We are fortunate to be able to shoot so many of these classic lenses on or current M digital cameras. I first came by this lens several years ago when a friend of mine who shoots film told me about it. It is his favorite lens. You have a very special lens from your father.  You are correct about the Summaron. The focus is as smooth as glass, and the images it produces are stunning. The build quality is superb for such a old lens. Thanks dad. Mr. B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. B Posted January 22, 2014 Share #38  Posted January 22, 2014 And here is one with the V5 shot at f2: f2 by - Antonio Russell -, on Flickr  That is a beautiful portrait of your cat. Mr. B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ansel_Adams Posted January 22, 2014 Share #39 Â Posted January 22, 2014 Thanks! One day I would like to own every version of the 35mm Summicron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted January 22, 2014 Share #40  Posted January 22, 2014 I also have the 35 Summaron 2.8 and it is one of my favorite lenses. The 2.8 Summaron draws with a very precise but smooth way. It is compact (about as big as lct's picture of his 35 V4). It is heavy and well built. You don't often see good copies sold very often. The M mount versions is seldom listed. I'm not sure if that is because people tend to hang on to them or if the were not produced in large numbers. Excellent classic Leica lens. We are fortunate to be able to shoot so many of these classic lenses on or current M digital cameras. I first came by this lens several years ago when a friend of mine who shoots film told me about it. It is his favorite lens. You have a very special lens from your father.  I am a big fan too of the Summaron F2.8, it's no slouch either, see below Summaron first then Summcron ASPH. Apologies for the poor picky, lazyness stopped me taking it again... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/220334-which-version-of-35mm-summicron/?do=findComment&comment=2515775'>More sharing options...
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