Bill W Posted January 12, 2014 Share #21 Â Posted January 12, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) After examining my Noctilux, the whole aperture diaphragm mechanism must be installed 180 degrees off. I guess it could happen. I was initially thinking the aperture ring was turned around backwards and that would not be possible. At $11,000 they should all be absolutely perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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algrove Posted January 12, 2014 Share #22 Â Posted January 12, 2014 At $1000 they should be absolutely perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted January 12, 2014 Share #23 Â Posted January 12, 2014 I guess I was being a little generous, I agree on $1,000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted January 15, 2014 Share #24 Â Posted January 15, 2014 easy. Make a new number scale with your computer and use tape to put on the correct side so you can read it. Â Or return it and ask for one made properly. Â Be sure to check for focus accuracy and sharpness before you return it as I feel the whole lens is suspect. If they replace it with a new sample, you will be better off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted January 16, 2014 Share #25  Posted January 16, 2014 If they replace it with a new sample, you will be better off  Tobey,  Leica (Solms) claim they have no new Noctiluxes in stock at the moment. Amazon are generally pretty good about replacing faulty items but I assume they don’t hold stock and get them in turn, from a pool of Leica dealers. It would depend therefore whether those dealers have stock. In the UK at least there seems to be plenty of stock. In Germany it is quite a bit shorter, although that may be due to dealers cutting back on stock levels for economic reasons. I would guess that Noctiluxes and maybe other lenses, are made in batches, so if Leica cannot supply, it may have to wait until they make the next batch. They certainly made a batch in mid December, as mine is one of those and the dealer had had to wait for it. Leica no longer make their own glass blanks for the elements, so that could be another delay in the chain, for those made of more exotic glass.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyang921 Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share #26  Posted March 14, 2014 Leica have a bit more history than you'd think they would like with putting the aperture ring on incorrectly. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/84376-another-leica-qc-problem.html  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/89722-my-new-apo-summicron-75-asph.html  Mine has almost the exact problem as in those cases!  https://flic.kr/p/m37aeT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyang921 Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share #27 Â Posted March 14, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Can you post a picture of the lens ? Â I have posted the pictures. Should I get it fixed? I don't really see any issue with the image quality though, but the 180 degree rotated focus ring is annoying and kinda inconvenient Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyang921 Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share #28  Posted March 14, 2014 id love to see a pic of that  I have already posted pics of that. Any ideas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyang921 Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share #29  Posted March 14, 2014 Unless the whole aperture diaphragm sub-assembly is fitted upside down, fitting the ring upside down must mean that at 0.95 the diaphragm is shut and at f16 wide open. If the OP is correct and the white dot is at the wrong side it must be the whole ring that is upside down not just wrongly engraved because the white dot is on the smooth section and the aperture on a smooth arc between knurled sections. I would like to see a photo from the OP unless the whole thing is a wind up.  Wilson  The white dot is indeed on the opposite side but the diaphragm is correct. i think the entire ring+white dot is 180 degree rotated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 14, 2014 Share #30 Â Posted March 14, 2014 I have already posted pics of that. Any ideas? Â Where? The googlemail links you posted just come up with error 403. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyang921 Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share #31 Â Posted March 14, 2014 Where? The googlemail links you posted just come up with error 403. Â Wilson That's strange... Â Here's the link. Â https://flic.kr/p/m37aeT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 14, 2014 Share #32  Posted March 14, 2014 Finally I understand what you mean by your aperture ring installed inverted. It might have been more understandable if you had said it was installed rotated by 180º so that the white register dot is at the lowest point of the lens, when mounted in the camera, when it should be opposite the depth of focus scale on the top.  Have you got anywhere with getting this corrected. My Noctilux where the rangefinder cam was wrongly adjusted from new, was repaired very quickly by Leica in early January and is now extremely accurate on focus.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyang921 Posted March 14, 2014 Author Share #33  Posted March 14, 2014 Finally I understand what you mean by your aperture ring installed inverted. It might have been more understandable if you had said it was installed rotated by 180º so that the white register dot is at the lowest point of the lens, when mounted in the camera, when it should be opposite the depth of focus scale on the top.  Have you got anywhere with getting this corrected. My Noctilux where the rangefinder cam was wrongly adjusted from new, was repaired very quickly by Leica in early January and is now extremely accurate on focus.  Wilson  Sorry about the confusion... I was having a hard time to come up with a proper description.  Should I send it back? Or should I keep it...? It's not affecting the image quality though...  Thank you so much for your help!  Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torgian Posted March 15, 2014 Share #34 Â Posted March 15, 2014 Well, if you want to sell it sometime in the future, I would send it back. Â If anything, you bought it brand new. You have a warranty; it's up to you, but I would send it back if I didn't need it right away. Â If anything, demand paid postage on their part so that no money comes out of your pocket for them to receive it, fix it, and send it back to you. An 11K blunder like this is not acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berth Posted March 15, 2014 Share #35  Posted March 15, 2014 Well, if you want to sell it sometime in the future, I would send it back. If anything, you bought it brand new. You have a warranty; it's up to you, but I would send it back if I didn't need it right away.  If anything, demand paid postage on their part so that no money comes out of your pocket for them to receive it, fix it, and send it back to you. An 11K blunder like this is not acceptable.  Totally unacceptable. And Leica should suspend/dismiss the people in QC who signed off on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 15, 2014 Share #36  Posted March 15, 2014 Sorry about the confusion... I was having a hard time to come up with a proper description. Should I send it back? Or should I keep it...? It's not affecting the image quality though...  Thank you so much for your help!  Peter  Peter,  For something that is Leica’s fault under warranty, which this obviously is, they offer a free pick up and delivery service. For some odd reason, in the UK, the pick up is UPS but the return delivery is DHL. I would have thought Leica would have got a better deal by negotiating an exclusive contract with one courier worldwide. Their courier bill must be very significant from sending out new goods. I am on their professional register so I get a one week or shorter turn around once the item is back at Customer Service.  Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
giordano Posted March 16, 2014 Share #37  Posted March 16, 2014 For something that is Leica’s fault under warranty, which this obviously is, they offer a free pick up and delivery service. For some odd reason, in the UK, the pick up is UPS but the return delivery is DHL. I would have thought Leica would have got a better deal by negotiating an exclusive contract with one courier worldwide. Their courier bill must be very significant from sending out new goods. I am on their professional register so I get a one week or shorter turn around once the item is back at Customer Service.  I reckon that a lens with this fault is not "fit for purpose" or "of satisfactory quality". In the EU and Australia, and I'm sure some other countries, this makes it the seller's problem before, or as well as, being a warranty claim. With most goods one would just take it straight back to the seller for refund or replacement; the only reason (in these countries) to do otherwise is if the item is in short supply *and* the manufacturer will honour a consumer's warranty claim faster than a dealer's faulty-goods claim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 16, 2014 Share #38 Â Posted March 16, 2014 I reckon that a lens with this fault is not "fit for purpose" or "of satisfactory quality". In the EU and Australia, and I'm sure some other countries, this makes it the seller's problem before, or as well as, being a warranty claim. With most goods one would just take it straight back to the seller for refund or replacement; the only reason (in these countries) to do otherwise is if the item is in short supply *and* the manufacturer will honour a consumer's warranty claim faster than a dealer's faulty-goods claim. Â John, Â I was in a very similar position, where my new Noctilux had its RF cam quite noticeable out of position (a 30 second check with the EVF/M240 sufficed to tell me this). I sent it back to Leica with my M240, at their request but with the strict understanding that they would not adjust the camera and that I would be offered the opportunity to either have my existing lens adjusted or have a replacement supplied. Â Leica sent the lens straight back to me repaired within a day or so of it arriving in Solms, on a one day courier service. They did not offer me the chance to opt for a replacement, because Leica claimed that they had no new Noctiluxes in stock. As the lens was perfect when it arrived back, I decided I would be better served hanging on to it, rather than wait for the next batch to be assembled and then still have a risk of a maladjusted lens. Â I would say that the same might apply to the OP. If his lens is otherwise OK and it is all carefully verified after the aperture is re-installed correctly, he might be better off with his existing lens repaired than a replacement. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted March 19, 2014 Share #39  Posted March 19, 2014 That's strange... Here's the link.  https://flic.kr/p/m37aeT  I am a little puzzled how difficult can it be to just post a link from flickr? Your link is still broken. What kind of problem are you having with posting a flickr link? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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