rosuna Posted January 24, 2014 Share #41 Â Posted January 24, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica needs cheaper and smaller lenses, no more superexpensive big Summiluxes. Â That Tri-Elmar 21-24-28 f/4 would be smaller and cheaper than the 16-18-21, a perfect complement to the current line and a top seller!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted January 24, 2014 Share #42 Â Posted January 24, 2014 This is my dream list. I emphasise the word dream though! Â 35mm Noctilux 75mm APO-Summilux 21mm Summilux that is as good as the Super Elmar 28 Summilux Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berth Posted January 24, 2014 Share #43  Posted January 24, 2014 All they have to do now is find a place to put a honking huge battery, huh? Maybe they can make the MP fatter, like the M, that would help. Then, having changed the MP internals they could put a sunset date on spare parts for the non-EVF MP. Perhaps "my declining eyesight" is showing up a lot in letters to Leica, you never know. But I'm inclined to think the MP's VF is going to remain non-electronic. (Of course if there's a good time for a major MP "upgrade" it would be now because I just bought one.)  Pretty much. They've got the M7 for that kind of thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted January 24, 2014 Share #44 Â Posted January 24, 2014 Leica needs cheaper and smaller lenses, no more super expensive big Summiluxes. Â I agree - having purchased only Leica lenses of f2.0 to 4.0 for about 50 years (until a v1 Summilux 50 last year). Â But how many Leica users have purchased enough of the Summarit-Ms to send such a message to Leica? I bought one used Summarit last year, and would be content to use only such lenses if I didn't already have my old Summicrons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 24, 2014 Share #45 Â Posted January 24, 2014 At least the Summarits are small. But do we need a big f/4 zoom lens usable essentially with the mediocre EVF? I'd rather see a smaller one on the forthcoming APS EVIL. YMMV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted January 24, 2014 Share #46 Â Posted January 24, 2014 Leica needs cheaper and smaller lenses, no more superexpensive big Summiluxes. So just because you wouldn't use them Leica shouldn't make them? There are plenty of people who are happy to use Summiluxes and will justify the cost and size by the pictures they produce. Imo diversity is good and an absence of options is not. Â Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted January 24, 2014 Share #47 Â Posted January 24, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Maybe I have baled out of ultimate quality but the 3 lenses I am using most at the moment are all R lenses - 21-35, 28-90 and 80-200. The three of those lenses cost me only a little more than the 50 AA which, it turns out, was a waste of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomas Posted January 24, 2014 Share #48 Â Posted January 24, 2014 Still hoping for that 14mm/3,8 what was coded in the M9 firmware. But I'm afraid that this was planed for the M8 so that Leica may find it obsolete right now. If they don't come up with this they should at least fix the red edges with the M 240 and the CV 15. With the high ISOs possible with the 240 Luxes become less important for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted January 24, 2014 Share #49 Â Posted January 24, 2014 At least the Summarits are small. But do we need a big f/4 zoom lens usable essentially with the mediocre EVF? I'd rather see a smaller one on the forthcoming APS EVIL. YMMV. Â Â The Tri-Elmar 16-18-21 is not big. The 21-24-28 version would be smaller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted January 24, 2014 Share #50 Â Posted January 24, 2014 I heard that the 28 Summilux will be a PC lens aimed at low light interior work and to make use of the M's EVF. Â I may be proved wrong but I think the idea of a tilt/shift Summilux is unlikely. The whole point of a shift lens is that it has to support a much larger image circle than normal. Â For example, if the lens can be shifted off axis by 12mm, the image circle of acceptable image quality has to be large enough to still fit the entire sensor and keep in mind the shift can be in any direction relative to the edges of the sensor. Â Getting the image circle to extend beyond the existing frame boundaries at f1.4 is difficult enough which is why TS lenses from the likes of Nikon are limited to f2.8 (for my 85mm) and f3.5 (for my 24mm and 28mm). Â Leica may yet surprise us with a TS lens but I would not expect it to be a Summilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomas Posted January 24, 2014 Share #51 Â Posted January 24, 2014 If you like to have tilt/shift Leica could argue, get a S2 and the Sinar P adapter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted January 24, 2014 Share #52  Posted January 24, 2014 So just because you wouldn't use them Leica shouldn't make them? There are plenty of people who are happy to use Summiluxes and will justify the cost and size by the pictures they produce. Imo diversity is good and an absence of options is not. Pete.  True, plus much of Leica's stature is based on its lenses. Even if the theoretical demand for a given lens is small Leica derives real benefit from continuously demonstrating its optical chops, much like Nikon did with its 6mm f/2.8 fisheye. Yes, a 28mm Summilux will be big, and it will intrude into the viewfinder. I'd bet also its image quality, like its price, would be spectacular, and Leica would not be able to satisfy demand. There are worse problems for a company to have.  s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 27, 2014 Share #53 Â Posted January 27, 2014 I would buy a 28 PC Summilux for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 27, 2014 Share #54  Posted January 27, 2014 a 28mm Summilux will be big, and it will intrude into the viewfinder. I'd bet also its image quality, like its price, would be spectacular, and Leica would not be able to satisfy demand.  No doubt in the immediate short term but there are no longer waiting lists for any of the Leica lenses bar the 50 APO (the production of which seems to have been suspended for the time being). I get the distinct impression that Leica has increased production of M lenses beyond the current appetite and I'm not sure a £4500+ 28mm lens is what the world is crying out for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted January 27, 2014 Share #55 Â Posted January 27, 2014 True, plus much of Leica's stature is based on its lenses. Even if the theoretical demand for a given lens is small Leica derives real benefit from continuously demonstrating its optical chops, much like Nikon did with its 6mm f/2.8 fisheye. Â Â The Nikon 6mm fisheye showed the world in an entirely different way. There were many magazines that were happy to publish photographs made with it, there were many new applications for it. Â But a 28mm Summilux, what will that really offer? All that is going to happen is people demonstrating the awesome sharpness and awesome bokeh by making the same pictures of sunsets that they've always made. It won't change the world, it wouldn't have a vast market with people who are more interested in the photograph. It will be bought by people who kid themselves they need speed, despite never having increased their base ISO settings. Nobody is going to go out at night to get those gritty street shots they've always dreamed of doing, nobody is going to elbow their way to the front of the stage at a gig, not considering the price of a 28mm Summilux they're not. Â The majority of Leica owners are completely risk averse when it comes to their cameras and lenses, and it's only going to get worse in being tempted by ever more expensive options. The call for cheaper lenses by rosuna in a few posts earlier shouldn't just be seen as a way to buy more, buy simpler, buy budget, or even buy 'inferior', it should encompass a call to get out and improve Leica photography by getting stuck in with equipment priced at a point where users have far less fear of using it for photographing something other than a distant mountain, or a distant sunset. Â Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 27, 2014 Share #56  Posted January 27, 2014 But a 28mm Summilux, what will that really offer? All that is going to happen is people demonstrating the awesome sharpness and awesome bokeh by making the same pictures of sunsets that they've always made. It won't change the world, it wouldn't have a vast market with people who are more interested in the photograph. It will be bought by people who kid themselves they need speed, despite never having increased their base ISO settings. Nobody is going to go out at night to get those gritty street shots they've always dreamed of doing, nobody is going to elbow their way to the front of the stage at a gig, not considering the price of a 28mm Summilux they're not.  The majority of Leica owners are completely risk averse when it comes to their cameras and lenses, and it's only going to get worse in being tempted by ever more expensive options. The call for cheaper lenses by rosuna in a few posts earlier shouldn't just be seen as a way to buy more, buy simpler, buy budget, or even buy 'inferior', it should encompass a call to get out and improve Leica photography by getting stuck in with equipment priced at a point where users have far less fear of using it for photographing something other than a distant mountain, or a distant sunset.  Steve  Hi Steve, I'm not so sure about that.  What would it really offer? If that were true then would there be the point in making any lens 1.4?  I use these lenses to make a living. The look, the speed it becomes a far more usable lens for a far broader range of applications, creative through to technical. Give me a fast option and make it as good as the 35 FLE, 50 Noctilux ASPH and I will buy it if I need the focal length. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted January 27, 2014 Share #57 Â Posted January 27, 2014 Tri-Elmar 21-24-28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted January 27, 2014 Share #58  Posted January 27, 2014 I'd love a 35 Noctilux (How about f1.0- 1.1 to keep the size down to less than the f1?) I know it will never happen. I'd love a 28 Summilux though  At the moment my next lens will be a 24 Summilux or 35mm Summircon V1 8 element Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted January 27, 2014 Share #59 Â Posted January 27, 2014 Tri-Elmar 21-24-28 Â f2 would be cool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted January 28, 2014 Share #60  Posted January 28, 2014 The Nikon 6mm fisheye showed the world in an entirely different way. There were many magazines that were happy to publish photographs made with it, there were many new applications for it... Steve  Steve,  Before Nikon had the 6mm they had the 8mm (f/5.6 and f/2.8) and the 10mm (f/5.6 I think). Fisheyes were not new at all. But 220 degree angle of view was sheer optical moxie; did people really need to "see behind" themselves? I don't think so.  Wattsy makes a valid point about Leica now keeping up with current demand; I am not in the loop on that stuff. But I'll stick to my position on Leica getting benefit from pushing optical design.  About prices I can only think they are a combination of the challenges Leica faces in making such lenses as they make, and that they have staked out a niche that sort of mandates exclusivity, and pricing is a pretty good gate-keeper for that. (At least it was until nations let the presses go crazy and the resultant boom in cheap credit. I could buy a couple Noctiluxes tomorrow if I wanted to, but what would they have cost me by the time I finally paid them off?  I can't make people really get out and work their gear without fear of that first scratch. I really don't think it's fear of scratches anyway, not for most of them. Maybe there's too much tendency to adulation. Maybe there is a fundamental change in the consumer and they simply don't want a camera that lasts a lifetime. There are labor costs in play too but I can't speak to that so I won't.  Regards, s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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