otto.f Posted December 22, 2013 Share #21 Â Posted December 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) In my first Leica days I have been quite happy with the 90/4.0, silver. I think it's better than many versions after it and before your Elmarit 90, which I honestly think is the first really good 90 for the M from Leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted December 22, 2013 Share #22  Posted December 22, 2013 In my first Leica days I have been quite happy with the 90/4.0, silver. I think it's better than many versions after it and before your Elmarit 90, which I honestly think is the first really good 90 for the M from Leica  Was it the Elmar 4.0 - 90 mm with four or three lenses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
strandgut Posted December 22, 2013 Share #23 Â Posted December 22, 2013 Another vote for the Tele-Elmarit. It is not much bigger than my 50 Cron and has the creamy elmarit charme. L1005958 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Also it gets quite sharp when stopped down: Kaispeicher | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Brgds Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted December 22, 2013 Share #24  Posted December 22, 2013 Another vote for the Tele-Elmarit. It is not much bigger than my 50 Cron and has the creamy elmarit charme.L1005958 | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Also it gets quite sharp when stopped down: Kaispeicher | Flickr - Photo Sharing! Brgds Jan  Jan-Any flare issues for you at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted December 22, 2013 Share #25 Â Posted December 22, 2013 Was it the Elmar 4.0 - 90 mm with four or three lenses? Â Very good question. I cannot retrieve it in Puts' Compendium. It had the IUFOO Hood, it was a Wetzlar lens, it resembles most this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leica-Elmar-M-90mm-F4-Rigid-Portrait-and-Telephoto-Lens-Free-US-Shipping/321279233036?_trksid=p2045573.m2042&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D18475%26meid%3D3585902019347347154%26pid%3D100033%26prg%3D8385%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D360685219054%26 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2013 Share #26  Posted December 22, 2013 Very good question. I cannot retrieve it in Puts' Compendium. It had the IUFOO Hood, it was a Wetzlar lens, it resembles most this one:Leica Elmar M 90mm F4 Rigid Portrait and Telephoto Lens Free US Shipping | eBay  That's a four lens Elmar 4.0-90mm. To the first distinction the three-lens Elmar has the same knurled focusing ring as the silver Elmarit 2.8-90mm. The four-element Elmar has a round-shaped focus ring. Sure experts may designate any other distinguishing features and exceptions.  Three lens Elmar 4.0-90mm: Leica Store München - Brienner Strasse 7: Elmar 4,0/90mm "3 lenses" : Second Hand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph. Posted December 22, 2013 Share #27 Â Posted December 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Your purpose, portraits? landscapes? giving snaps away? or the more demanding, while less practical, looking at the screen? Here is my experience. Â For portraits, my first version 90 Summicron was fine and its collapsible sunshade was brilliant. The early Elmarit did not leave any recollections, except that its head could be used on the Visoflex. Â My (slim version) Tele Elmarit kept losing its clip-on sunshade, but had reasonable sharpness. and a bit lower contrast. Â After I converted to digital, I discovered that contrast could be improved, but still, we parted company. Â Recently.. I borrowed a Voigtlander 90\3.5 apo-lanthar, which proved quite satisfactory. I am also using a Minolta CLE 90, - the late MC version with serial no outside. It is entirely satisfactory when stopped down a bit, but I am moving towards using CSV. Â The latest, buit still old, M-Elmarit is reputed to be almost as good as the Apo Summicron, Â The 90 Summarit is described as a cheaper , better alternative. With higher ISO-ratings of newer sensors, slower optics, or narrower apertrures,the old lens monsters may still be conquer fast glass, so again:how will the optic be used? Camera? motives?conditions? Â p. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted December 22, 2013 Share #28  Posted December 22, 2013 That's a four lens Elmar 4.0-90mm.To the first distinction the three-lens Elmar has the same knurled focusing ring as the silver Elmarit 2.8-90mm. The four-element Elmar has a round-shaped focus ring. Sure experts may designate any other distinguishing features and exceptions.  Three lens Elmar 4.0-90mm: Leica Store München - Brienner Strasse 7: Elmar 4,0/90mm "3 lenses" : Second Hand  Thanks! I had the round shaped focus ring indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted December 23, 2013 Author Share #29 Â Posted December 23, 2013 Your purpose, portraits? landscapes? giving snaps away? or the more demanding, while less practical, looking at the screen? ..... so again:how will the optic be used? Camera? motives?conditions? Jack of all trades I'm afraid - mainly landscape, and detail shots, but some people, and so on. As for 'quality' (that ill-defined, vague term which everyone argues about;)) well, I need a lens which will produce files capable of being used in a variety of way as I do print large at times (A1ish), I do supply stock (to the likes of Getty and others) and I do take fun snaps too! Â My experience in over 30 years of photography is that I've never lost the sale of an image because of the lens used (I've tended to use manufacturer's own lenses and have sold off the poor performers - Canon 20/2.8 on digital was awful) and my purpose in starting this thread was to find out if there were any lenses which people would avoid due to issues that they had experienced. Its been interesting as regards flare and size/weight and so far a Tele-Elmarit is the best contender from the responses although it does look (as I suspected) that with the exception of the early 90/4 design, most 90s aren't bad lenses. My other researches suggest that the Tele-Elmarit can suffer from rear element degradation so if I buy one I will want to inspect it personally or have a return potential. Â Any more comments gladly received - I'm finding this fascinating and thanks to everyone, especially those who illustrate their points which takes both time and effort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted December 23, 2013 Share #30 Â Posted December 23, 2013 To keep you alive, I sold my Tele-Elmarit in favor of your actual Elmarit 90, because I found it really too soft, although I liked the soft hood. I would not print A1ish from that lens. But then again, indeed, it depends on the image, the idea behind your image and not on the lens. In some circumstances I found the Elmarit too harsh. The SAA 90 was the final solution for me between these two rocks and I will not go for its successor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted December 23, 2013 Share #31 Â Posted December 23, 2013 I went from a 90 thin Tele Elmarit to the 90 Summarit and have no regrets. It is bigger and heavier, but still doesn't intrude in the frame lines and is lighter than the last-version Elmarit. What I like most is the bokeh, which is far better than the Tele Elmarit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo101 Posted December 29, 2013 Share #32  Posted December 29, 2013 Fat   Inviato da mio iPhone utilizzando Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 1, 2014 Share #33  Posted January 1, 2014 pgk  If the Tele-Elmarit does not suit you then just get a second Elmarit-M, maybe a little beat up on the outside for less money, but good on the inside, insure it and use it for travel.  I got two TE for the same reason, but prefer the Elmarit-M, so got a second one for travel and all is good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share #34 Â Posted January 11, 2014 Thanks for everyone's replies. In the end I've finally gone with and picked up a thin Tele-Elmarit - reasonable price and so small and light. I've just tried it and given the comments I've read about flare I'm surprised how tolerant this particular lens is to shooting against the light and with oblique hard light striking the lens - its a fairly late German version and whilst certainly not mint its in pretty ok condition. "Sharpness" is good too especially at f/8 to 11, and whilst fine detail is not so well resolved as it might be with the Elmarit-M, I'm certainly not disappointed. Its suffers from more chroma than the Elmarit-M too, but again this correctable with software quite acceptably. I'm using it on an M9 with a UV/IR filter (all I have in E39) and a 12524 hood (it was this or a 12504 which also fits but neither is ideal) so the set-up isn't rally ideal - I'll look for a UVa and a late 12585 to set it up properly, but it fits my requirements and will compliment my other 'older' lens well in design period too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 11, 2014 Share #35  Posted January 11, 2014 FWIW 12524 and 12504 hoods are made for 35mm lenses whilst the 12585 is made for 35 or 50mm ones. The hoods dedicated to the "thin" Tele-Elmarit were the clip-on reversible metal hood # 12575 and the rubber hood # 11250 (2nd pic on the left). I used to use the rubber hood for Elmar 90/4 as well (# 12517 on the right) that i screwed into 39mm filters. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/218338-which-90mm-lens-would-you-recommend-in-this-instance/?do=findComment&comment=2507115'>More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted January 12, 2014 Share #36 Â Posted January 12, 2014 As I don't like reversible hoods, I have a macro elmar 90 and currently use the small hood from the collapsible 50 f2.8 elmar lens. I noticed that lct uses the rubber hood 12517 from the Elmar 90 f4. Are there any downsides to this combination and can they still be purchased new, e.g. can you fit 39mm filters onto the hood? Â Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted January 12, 2014 Share #37 Â Posted January 12, 2014 The 12517 hood you can see above is screwed into a 39mm UV/IR filter. No problem at all. About availability i would call Leica as the rubber hood for Summicron-C 40/2 can still be had for new IINW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mr. B Posted January 13, 2014 Share #38 Â Posted January 13, 2014 I would recommend the Tele-Elmarit thin. It is a sharp lens, small, and weighs around 225 grams. It is a great travel lens that is capable of producing high quality images. The lens also uses the 39mm filters. Mr. B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fahadm Posted January 18, 2014 Share #39 Â Posted January 18, 2014 My 40-year old "thin" tele-elmarit became a killer lens after a CLA. Â Shot below indoors @ iso 1,000 & f/4 (Leica MM). Â Cat kept turning its head thus focus was tough. Â Crazy lens !! Â Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share #40 Â Posted January 18, 2014 The hoods dedicated to the "thin" Tele-Elmarit were the clip-on reversible metal hood # 12575 Which I've managed to pick up and the appropriate cap when reversed - I must say that it makes for a very compact little package. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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