CheshireCat Posted September 3, 2014 Share #101 Posted September 3, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) http://blogs.zeiss.com/photo/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2014/09/part4.jpg Maybe the one on the right is the new ZM lens? The mount looks similar to the other ones. These are probably the new Zeiss Loxia lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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padam Posted September 3, 2014 Share #102 Posted September 3, 2014 The two Loxia lenses have already been presented and below is the Otus 85/1.4. But the one on the right is probably an M-mount lens and not a small one, maybe it is the 35mm f/1.4 that was rumored for some time. It will turn out in a few days anyway... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Gunst Lund Posted September 3, 2014 Share #103 Posted September 3, 2014 From the Zeiss Blog: What about the new ZM lens that was announced in 2012? Will it be there finally? I need something to feed my Leica M (240)! ------------------------oooooooooo------------------------ ZEISS Camera Lenses Post author 1. September 2014 at 11:10 We are sorry not to be able to provide you with any news at the moment, please have some more patience. We will give you an update as soon as possible. Best regards ZEISS Lenses Team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted September 3, 2014 Share #104 Posted September 3, 2014 maybe it is the 35mm f/1.4 that was rumored for some time. It will turn out in a few days anyway... There are already too many good 35mm lenses for M mount, and unless it utterly bashes the 35 FLE (which is unlikely), or it is a f/1 lens, I won't buy. There is already a relatively cheap alternative to the Leica lens, and this is the Nokton 35/1.2 (great lens). If Zeiss wants a big piece of the 35mm cake, it must be as small as the 35 FLE, and as good&cheap as the Nokton (great lens... did I say that already ?). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted September 3, 2014 Share #105 Posted September 3, 2014 There are already too many good 35mm lenses for M mount, and unless it utterly bashes the 35 FLE (which is unlikely), or it is a f/1 lens, I won't buy. There is already a relatively cheap alternative to the Leica lens, and this is the Nokton 35/1.2 (great lens). If Zeiss wants a big piece of the 35mm cake, it must be as small as the 35 FLE, and as good&cheap as the Nokton (great lens... did I say that already ?). It does not need to be as good as the Lux if it costs much less. The Zeiss lenses just have a different look to them which some prefer. In fact all 35mm lenses have a different character so another one is welcome. For me the 35mm 1.4 Distagon has the most pleasing image rendition, the only problem is its massive weight and size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 3, 2014 Author Share #106 Posted September 3, 2014 Maybe it will also not suffer the purple fringing that many of the 35 FLE lenses seem to have. A friend has given up and gone back to a 35/1.4 ASPH because of the fringing, which two visits to Solms did not cure. If it does come out, I would guess a very different image look to the fairly low contrast CV 35/1.2. The ZM lenses I sometimes feel, have too much contrast. It is exactly the same with the Contax 28-85 Vario Sonnar I use on the M240. I am turning down the saturation and contrast on quite a few images taken with it but it is better to be doing that than artificially boosting it. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted September 3, 2014 Share #107 Posted September 3, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Peter, Just thinking about the example Joerg quoted, the Zeiss 50mm/f2 ZM Planar, as being a non-retrofocal or “conventional” design (and what a great design it is too, with one well known pundit saying he could detect little to no difference between images taken with it and the vastly more expensive new 50mm APO Summicron). In the past I have also had the 50mm Contax Planar in f1.7, f1.4 and f1.2 guises. Now the design of these have similarities to the ZM Planar but obviously something has changed to alter the flange focal distance from Leica M, 28.8mm to the 45.5mm of the Contax CX/Y mount. Would I be correct in saying therefore, that the Contax Planars are a retrofocal design? This is because the rear elements of the optical configuration have been specifically set up to move the focal plane backwards. Wilson My apologies for the delay - I've been away from home without internet access. I have no knowledge of the Zeiss designs so I can't comment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted September 3, 2014 Share #108 Posted September 3, 2014 Zeiss design: Distagon, Biogon and Hologon: http://blogs.zeiss.com/photo/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2011/12/en_CLB41_Nasse_LensNames_Distagon.pdf Tessar: http://www.zeiss.com/content/dam/Photography/new/pdf/en/cln_archiv/cln39_en_web_special_tessar.pdf Planar: http://blogs.zeiss.com/photo/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2011/07/en_CLB_40_Nasse_Lens_Names_Planar.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted September 4, 2014 Share #109 Posted September 4, 2014 Confirmed: A new Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4 ZM lens (Leica M mount) to be announced for Photokina | Leica News & Rumors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiriusLux Posted September 4, 2014 Share #110 Posted September 4, 2014 Confirmed: A new Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4 ZM lens (Leica M mount) to be announced for Photokina | Leica News & Rumors I am looking forward to that one for sure! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share #111 Posted September 4, 2014 I suspect if it is a Distagon, it is going to be quite a large lens. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted September 4, 2014 Share #112 Posted September 4, 2014 I suspect if it is a Distagon, it is going to be quite a large lens. Wilson Without the hood it looks to be about the same size as the Lux with the hood so yes it is not small, about the size of a Nokton 35/1.2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted September 4, 2014 Share #113 Posted September 4, 2014 Without the hood it looks to be about the same size as the Lux with the hood so yes it is not small, about the size of a Nokton 35/1.2. Where do you see the picture Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted September 4, 2014 Share #114 Posted September 4, 2014 Where do you see the picture Just guessing from the teaser, looks a bit bigger than the Loxia lenses so about 60mm x 70mm It will turn out soon anyway, the price is more interesting and I don't think it is going to be cheaper than its SLR relative, so over 1800$ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 4, 2014 Share #115 Posted September 4, 2014 Without the hood it looks to be about the same size as the Lux I'd expect it to be significantly bulkier but i may be wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share #116 Posted September 4, 2014 I'd expect it to be significantly bulkier but i may be wrong. Me too. If it is a Distagon, it is a retrofocus design rather than conventional, so it is going to be quite long. If I think back to the size of my Contax 35/f1.4 APO-Distagon, I would not be surprised to see a lens getting on for the CV 35/1.2 in size but we shall see. It makes you see what an amazingly compact lens the old 35 Summilux II (11870) was. Picture of APO-Distagon 35/f1.4 below to illustrate the bulk, it weighed a hefty 600+ grams. Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/217212-what-happened-to-the-%E2%80%9Csurprise%E2%80%9D-zeiss-zm-lens/?do=findComment&comment=2663776'>More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted September 4, 2014 Share #117 Posted September 4, 2014 I suspect if it is a Distagon, it is going to be quite a large lens. If it plays well with the thick glass on the A7 series cameras - it will sell well. For M users - wonder what the focus shift is like ; will it be a floating element design ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 4, 2014 Author Share #118 Posted September 4, 2014 For M users - wonder what the focus shift is like ; will it be a floating element design ? I would guess it depends on precision of manufacture, barrel, elements etc, where on past performance, Zeiss have had few problems in this area. Lack of aperture shift, resolution and flare resistance have been the three prime objectives of Zeiss ZM lens design over the last few years. Zeiss have consistently designed lenses which were within their abilities to manufacture to a high standard. Zeiss’ technical expertise has never been in doubt. It is their management and marketing decisions I have my doubts over. Leica told me during a visit to Solms some years ago that the aperture shift and sample variation in many of the 35 ASPH Summiluxes was mainly due to the fact that the design demanded manufacture and assembly tolerance requirements that were at or beyond the limits of their abilities. Hence you can get 35 ASPH Luxes which are like the one I was lucky enough to find (after trying 9 of them), which has minimal aperture shift and other ones, like a forum member had two of, which aperture shifted right out of the DOF. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r7photo Posted September 4, 2014 Share #119 Posted September 4, 2014 Leica rumors, new zeiss 35 1.4 comming Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted September 4, 2014 Share #120 Posted September 4, 2014 Picture of APO-Distagon 35/f1.4 below to illustrate the bulk, it weighed a hefty 600+ grams. That's for reflex cameras. Retrofocus lenses for the M can be more compact. By the way, are you sure it is actually APO ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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