swamiji Posted October 1, 2013 Share #21 Posted October 1, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I wouldn't suggest a Summilux because it seems budget is a consideration. But regarding the 50mm Summicron, you seem down on it because it is old. But why is it 'old'? The fact that it hasn't been replaced for a long, long time suggests to me that there is a logical answer that defies ageism. Steve Actually I don't see anything wrong with the OP's current set. I agree about the modem Summilux, as being a bit pricey, for a Voightlander budget. As far as the 50mm Summicron is concerned. I simply do not care for the way it renders. I had one, sold it, never missed it. My biggest complaint against the Summarit, is it's too Cron like. I like the really old 50mm Cron Rigid, I also like the current Summilux, and Noctilux, but the venerable 50mm Summicron (pre-APO), leaves me cold... That said, I do have the APO on order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wilfredo Posted October 1, 2013 Share #22 Posted October 1, 2013 I think this question is asked the wrong way around. I would not ask "What lens for a Monochrom?". I would ask, "What look do I want from my pictures with a Monochrom, and what lens is best to achieve it?". As Jaap mentioned all lenses render well on a Monochrom, often better than it's color counter parts, but also as mentioned by sm23221 not all lenses are suitable to obtain the look you wish (ie: red filter shift). I think to get the true answer you wish for, you need to decide what is your goal. Sharpness? Softness? That Leica Glow? Are you using this for Landscape, portraits, Architecture? Once this is decided, then you can reduce the lens playing field to something that is comprehensible. Asking such a vague question, people will give their favorite lenses for their purpose, not yours. Great point! PP is also a factor to consider... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 1, 2013 Share #23 Posted October 1, 2013 I dont see a $$$$ number so why not go for the best ............Noctilux or APO summicron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted October 1, 2013 Share #24 Posted October 1, 2013 I dont see a $$$$ number so why not go for the best ............Noctilux or APO summicron Your right, no amount was mentioned, but it still begs the question... for what purpose? What the best is, is dependent on the purpose. The Noctilux or APO summicron are not the best for all uses. I wouldn't want to chase my child around with a Noctilux... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldhrads Posted October 1, 2013 Share #25 Posted October 1, 2013 I've been using a Summicron 50 V4 and really like how this works. OTOH, I used a modern Biogon 28/2.8 over the weekend and it performed like a champ on the MM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 1, 2013 Share #26 Posted October 1, 2013 I have also had nice results with the Summicron 35/2.0 V4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatolina Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share #27 Posted October 1, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank to All! Probably 'normal' summicron (not the Apo One) is a good compromise in price and quality.... For sure Apo is the best...but a lot of money... I repeat now I have voigtlander lenses...but If I'll change these ones I want better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 2, 2013 Share #28 Posted October 2, 2013 The Noctilux or APO summicron are not the best for all uses. I wouldn't want to chase my child around with a Noctilux...Why not? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted October 2, 2013 Share #29 Posted October 2, 2013 Why not? 1) it's a 50mm lens, if you want pictures of your children at play, you need to be in the next room. Good for intimate portraits only. 2) It's slow to focus, which is good for fine focusing at f/1 or f/.95, but not fast enough to keep up with kids. 3) With a moving child, there is no point for f/1 or f/.95. Unless you glue them to their seat, even then... As I said before, I like environmental portraits, that means children doing what children do, not sitting quietly in their sunday best, bored to tears. For children I like at least a 35mm, or preferably wider, f/8 is a good place to start. I like to get in to the action, be part of the child's play. Close as I can, without interfering. But it dawns on me, that it also depends on what we mean by a child. I am thinking 6 and under, I am not certain what age you are referring to, if you are thinking much older, then maybe a 50 would not be so bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 2, 2013 Share #30 Posted October 2, 2013 1) it's a 50mm lens, if you want pictures of your children at play, you need to be in the next room. Good for intimate portraits only. 2) It's slow to focus, which is good for fine focusing at f/1 or f/.95, but not fast enough to keep up with kids. 3) With a moving child, there is no point for f/1 or f/.95. Unless you glue them to their seat, even then... As I said before, I like environmental portraits, that means children doing what children do, not sitting quietly in their sunday best, bored to tears. For children I like at least a 35mm, or wider, f/8 is a good place to start. I like to get in to the action, be part of the child's play. Close as I can, without interfering. But it dawns on me, that it also depends on what we mean by a child. I am thinking 6 and under, I am not certain what age you are referring to, if you are thinking much older, then maybe a 50 would not be so bad. Agreed but you dont need to shoot the Noctilux wide open...................it goes from 0.95 to f16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 2, 2013 Share #31 Posted October 2, 2013 Thank to All!Probably 'normal' summicron (not the Apo One) is a good compromise in price and quality.... For sure Apo is the best...but a lot of money... I repeat now I have voigtlander lenses...but If I'll change these ones I want better If that's where you're heading, take another look at the 50 Summilux ASPH. If I had to choose one lens (perish the thought) it would be on my shortlist. I appreciate that it is USD 4,000 to the Summicron's USD 2,250, but for one of Leica's finest, it is value for money. If you look on eBay, they hold their value well. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted October 2, 2013 Share #32 Posted October 2, 2013 1) it's a 50mm lens, if you want pictures of your children at play, you need to be in the next room. Good for intimate portraits only. 2) It's slow to focus, which is good for fine focusing at f/1 or f/.95, but not fast enough to keep up with kids. 3) With a moving child, there is no point for f/1 or f/.95. Unless you glue them to their seat, even then... As I said before, I like environmental portraits, that means children doing what children do, not sitting quietly in their sunday best, bored to tears. For children I like at least a 35mm, or preferably wider, f/8 is a good place to start. I like to get in to the action, be part of the child's play. Close as I can, without interfering. But it dawns on me, that it also depends on what we mean by a child. I am thinking 6 and under, I am not certain what age you are referring to, if you are thinking much older, then maybe a 50 would not be so bad. I totally agree with you on the Nocti, but I beg to differ on 50mm for kids; I just finished four months of paternity leave, and about a thousand shots of my daughter, of which most are with 50mm. My daughter is around a year, but I found the 35 to be a bit to wide for close ups. Most shots I've taken with the cron 50mm. Like these ones.: Baby Fashion Blog - klarazilla.123minsida.se Joakim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scatolina Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share #33 Posted October 2, 2013 I totally agree with you on the Nocti, but I beg to differ on 50mm for kids; I just finished four months of paternity leave, and about a thousand shots of my daughter, of which most are with 50mm. My daughter is around a year, but I found the 35 to be a bit to wide for close ups. Most shots I've taken with the cron 50mm. Like these ones.: Baby Fashion Blog - klarazilla.123minsida.se Joakim Wow Compliments! Summicron Apo? I have 3 child it is not easy to shoot them with an M Leica Ciao Claudio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 2, 2013 Share #34 Posted October 2, 2013 If that's where you're heading, take another look at the 50 Summilux ASPH. If I had to choose one lens (perish the thought) it would be on my shortlist. I appreciate that it is USD 4,000 to the Summicron's USD 2,250, but for one of Leica's finest, it is value for money. If you look on eBay, they hold their value well. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD If I had to have only one lens it would be the 50 Summilux ASPH - for me it's probably the best all-rounder in the pack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted October 3, 2013 Share #35 Posted October 3, 2013 There is no reason to "beg to differ". Photography is an art form, and each artist has there own vision. I expect that there will be differences and always preface each opinion with the idea that my view is my view, not in anyway a universal. Saying that, I still feel 50mm requires too much space, as I am often shooting at .5 meters to .75 meters. Minimum focusing on the Nocti is 1 meter, and the DOF total depth is .02 meters (according to my DOF calculator). P.S. I agree that the 50mm Summilux ASPH is an amazing lens. It's a good thing that we do have other choices too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted October 3, 2013 Share #36 Posted October 3, 2013 There is no reason to "beg to differ". Photography is an art form, and each artist has there own vision. I expect that there will be differences and always preface each opinion with the idea that my view is my view, not in anyway a universal. Saying that, I still feel 50mm requires too much space, as I am often shooting at .5 meters to .75 meters. Minimum focusing on the Nocti is 1 meter, and the DOF total depth is .02 meters (according to my DOF calculator). P.S. I agree that the 50mm Summilux ASPH is an amazing lens. It's a good thing that we do have other choices too. Absolutely:)! Most shot I have of my daughter are between 1-1,2m so I guess that could be one difference, but it's all about taste and preference:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 3, 2013 Share #37 Posted October 3, 2013 Sounds like the old "Different horses for different courses" idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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