lct Posted September 5, 2013 Share #41 Â Posted September 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Better take a 35 for M8.2 or M240 whose framelines are more accurate IMO. Otherwise the 40/2 is less expensive than Leitz/Leica 35/2 lenses and is indeed the smallest Summicron. The Elmarit-C 40/2.8 is even smaller though, let alone LTM lenses like the Elmar 35/3.5. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/40mm_f/2.8_Elmarit-C http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/Elmar_f%3D_3.5_cm_1:3.5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wlaidlaw Posted September 5, 2013 Share #42 Â Posted September 5, 2013 I also recall that the filter thread is atypical (? series 5.5) and the hood that holds it in place is often hard to come by on its own. For a (? single coated) 40 year-old lens, a 35 of the same vintage (maybe v.4) seems more practicable. Admittedly the novelty of such a tiny lens, ~130 gms, (?smallest Leica M ever) is irresistible. Â James, Â HeavyStar do a 5.5 to e39 adapter and then an e39 vented hood. New Metal Hood for Leica Summicron-C (S5.5) 40mm f/2.0 Â On full frame cameras, I find 35 a touch too wide for a one lens day. I think the 40 will be near perfect. I was very fond of my Planar 45 on the Contax G2. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted September 6, 2013 Share #43  Posted September 6, 2013 The Elmarit-C 40/2.8 is even smaller though, let alone LTM lenses like the Elmar 35/3.5.  5gms less than the 40/2, only 500 made and as a 'cheaper' alternative, all for the bargain price of €2400: Leica Elmarit C 40 2 8 40mm F 2 8 RARE yr 1972 Germany for Leica M M E | eBay  Never even knew it existed. And am unmoved.  If you're going to the effort of a 40 on an M, the 0.85 mag version is probably the best one to adjudge the framing by flicking the switch. Still... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 6, 2013 Share #44 Â Posted September 6, 2013 Not sure that accuracy it is a matter of magnification. At long to medium distance, 35mm frame lines are the most accurate on any M but M8.2 and M240 as far as my bodies are concerned at least (M3, M4-2, M6J, M8.2, M240). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 6, 2013 Share #45  Posted September 6, 2013 I can't get over how tiny the Summicron C is on the M240. I don't think it is much larger than a collapsed Elmar 50/2.8. It's the other extreme from my 750gr Vario Sonnar 28-85 on the camera.  Wilson Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/211683-zeiss-235-inexpensive-or-impressive/?do=findComment&comment=2414597'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 6, 2013 Share #46  Posted September 6, 2013 5gms less than the 40/2, only 500 made and as a 'cheaper' alternative, all for the bargain price of €2400: Leica Elmarit C 40 2 8 40mm F 2 8 RARE yr 1972 Germany for Leica M M E | eBay Never even knew it existed. And am unmoved.  If you're going to the effort of a 40 on an M, the 0.85 mag version is probably the best one to adjudge the framing by flicking the switch. Still... Erwin Puts is not very positive about the Elmarit C 40/2.8 to put it mildly. He thinks it is a good thing so few were made.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted September 6, 2013 Share #47 Â Posted September 6, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Erwin Puts is not very positive about the Elmarit C 40/2.8 to put it mildly. He thinks it is a good thing so few were made.... Â Is the 40 Summicron even that good? How does it size up against contemporary pre-ASPH 35s? From the photo above it is no more than a body cap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 6, 2013 Share #48 Â Posted September 6, 2013 Leica C Summicron 40mm f/2 (M) Lens Review Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted September 6, 2013 Share #49  Posted September 6, 2013 Leica C Summicron 40mm f/2 (M) Lens Review  "...while borders are a little bit soft at f/2 it is no worse than with most other fast 35mm lenses out there....I can't really say that C Summicron awed me in any particular area here, but it did not really leave me with any negative impressions either."  NOTE: The review was on an M8.  I'd be more interested in what Wilson has to say on a FF M240. From what I already gleaned, it seems more of a novelty item than a gem in the rough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 7, 2013 Share #50 Â Posted September 7, 2013 On crop cams as well as FF bodies it is a lens the same class as a v3 or v4 Summicron 35 with the advantage of a smaller price and the theoretical drawback of a sloped focus cam which never bothered me personally. Do a search on the forum you will find a lot of literature about that and this very good little lens in general. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 7, 2013 Share #51 Â Posted September 7, 2013 It is a bit soft at f2 as Erwin says. Once you stop down to f4, it seems as sharp as any Leica lens. The main problem is that it seems very prone to veiling glare at wider apertures, which given that it is single coated is not a huge surprise. I have a 5.5 to e39 ring and e39 vented hood on the way from Heavystar, which will help but I will also try putting an MC skylight filter in front to see if that helps. I am just about to drive up to Switzerland to do a classic car rally but I have checked and the Leica dealer in Vevey (the start is in next door Montreux) has a B+W MC skylight e39. This will not fit perfectly (e39 only winds in about a half turn) but it will do for the time being until the adapter ring arrives. Â Wearing my spectacles the outside of the VF is almost exactly right for 40mm so no framing issues. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krooj Posted September 7, 2013 Share #52  Posted September 7, 2013 I can't get over how tiny the Summicron C is on the M240. I don't think it is much larger than a collapsed Elmar 50/2.8. It's the other extreme from my 750gr Vario Sonnar 28-85 on the camera.  Wilson  Does the 240 have the ability to display 40mm frame lines, or is the actual frameline display still fully mechanical and only the illumination digitally controlled? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB_tx Posted September 7, 2013 Share #53 Â Posted September 7, 2013 Does the 240 have the ability to display 40mm frame lines, or is the actual frameline display still fully mechanical and only the illumination digitally controlled? Still mechanical - just LED illuminated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 7, 2013 Share #54  Posted September 7, 2013 Still mechanical indeed but the framelines (28, 35, 50, 75, 90 & 135, so no 40 sorry) are set to be accurate at 2m like those of the M8.2 instead of 1m or 0.7m for other Ms. This way, 35mm framelines are more accurate at medium to long distance for 35mm lenses on M8.2 and M240, but not for 40mm lenses unfortunately for their users. Reason why i don't use much my 40mm lenses anymore as a M8.2 and M240 owner. Now some photogs don't mind guessing the 40mm FoV inside 35mm or outside 50mm framelines actually. Here's a comparo between 50mm framelines and actual field of view of 40mm lenses on the M8.2. I did not do the comparo on the M240 yet. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/211683-zeiss-235-inexpensive-or-impressive/?do=findComment&comment=2415289'>More sharing options...
james.liam Posted September 7, 2013 Share #55 Â Posted September 7, 2013 With a proper EVF I suppose the framelines don't much matter anymore. Leica does face a challenge in the coming years of maintaining relevancy when we still have to compensate for proper framing depending upon distance in a age of hybrid VF's. Focus shifting lenses, like the 35 ASPH (seemingly an issue on digital more so than film) does pose an issue when small fortunes are spent on cameras that fail to incorporate such useful innovations. Apparently, Leica resisted focus peaking and finally gave in after much pressure, while EVF support is for the limited older type with no word on upgraded ones. Â Sorry for the digression but this is why I won't go for an M240 or MM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted September 7, 2013 Share #56 Â Posted September 7, 2013 With a proper EVF I suppose the framelines don't much matter anymore. Sure but your B&W film shooter perspective would have to change then as there are no EVFs for film bodies. Only Visoflexes but the latters are not made for Zeiss 35mm nor Leitz 40mm lenses anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted September 7, 2013 Share #57  Posted September 7, 2013 I can't get over how tiny the Summicron C is on the M240. I don't think it is much larger than a collapsed Elmar 50/2.8. It's the other extreme from my 750gr Vario Sonnar 28-85 on the camera.  Wilson  That's not Strong Bad I see is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 7, 2013 Share #58 Â Posted September 7, 2013 That's not Strong Bad I see is it? Â Â No idea what you mean. Â Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted September 8, 2013 Share #59  Posted September 8, 2013 No idea what you mean. Wilson  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Strong Bad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  s-a Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Strong Bad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  s-a ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/211683-zeiss-235-inexpensive-or-impressive/?do=findComment&comment=2415668'>More sharing options...
jaques Posted September 8, 2013 Share #60 Â Posted September 8, 2013 ah- I had forgotten all about Strong Bad- thanks for the reminder- takes me right back to 2006 good stuff! Â oh- and concerning the framelines just grind the lug so that the 35 lines come up instead of 50- much closer match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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