Popular Post farnz Posted July 1, 2013 Popular Post Share #1 Posted July 1, 2013 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) This is a warning for anyone who considers attaching their (M) Bellows II to their M240: if you do, you will be unable to remove the Bellows II afterwards because the bellows's rear plate will prevent you from reaching the lens release button. I know because I did it last night without thinking and couldn't remove my Bellows II. The M240's lens release button has a metal collar and the bellows's rear plate fits so closely to it without touching it that I couldn't even insert a knife blade between the two (I tried). "What did you do?" I hear you ask. Well, I took the M240 and Bellows II combo to Red Dot Cameras, where I had bought the camera, prepared to be without my camera while it was returned to Solms for a 'Bellows-ectomy'. I showed Ivor, the co-proprietor, and he fixed it on the spot by removing a shroud from the bellows with a tiny screwdriver to remove two tiny screws and a set of circlip pliers to unscrew the shroud, which gave access to the lens release button. I asked Ivor how he knew how to remove the shroud to take the bellows off and he laughed heartily and said that he'd done the same thing himself and thought it needed to be sent back to Solms until he started taking the bellows apart and found how to fix it. My deepest thanks to Ivor from Red Dot Cameras for removing my bellows from my M240 so quickly and for having ... um ... 'done the research'! Pete. PS: if you want to attach your Bellows II to your M240 you can do it if you use a OUFRO (16469), which is the Visoflex extension ring to give 1:1 reproduction ratios with 35 and 50mm lenses, because this provides enough space to operate the lens release button. (I haven't checked the optical result only the mechanical one.) Edited July 1, 2013 by farnz 31 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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k-hawinkler Posted July 1, 2013 Share #2 Posted July 1, 2013 Hi Pete, Thank you so much! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 1, 2013 Share #3 Posted July 1, 2013 It is even simpler - You can unscrew the internal ring that holds the mount in place using a double pronged adjustable wrench (available from Microtools) on the two holes visible in the retaining ring and pull the bellows assembly off the mount. Still, better to avoid any surgery 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) It is even simpler - You can unscrew the internal ring that holds the mount in place using a double pronged adjustable wrench ... That's just what Ivor did, Jaap. I called the tool "circlip pliers" but it's the same tool you've described and there are two screws that lock the internal ring/shroud in place on mine. Pete. Edited July 2, 2013 by farnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 2, 2013 Share #5 Posted July 2, 2013 Mine probably lost them ... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 2, 2013 Share #6 Posted July 2, 2013 Well, If you want the correct spacing without the Visoflex housing. Get the M>R adapter then put the 14167 (or 14127) R>V Adapter. That will provide the same design spec as the Bellows II requires. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 4, 2013 Author Share #7 Posted July 4, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Bump. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 5, 2013 Share #8 Posted July 5, 2013 Put it in the M240 FAQ please, Pete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share #9 Posted July 5, 2013 Ah, good idea. Will do, Jaap. Pete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted July 5, 2013 Share #10 Posted July 5, 2013 This also reminds me why we still need a source for an adapter tube which eliminates the need for the visoflex housing. I think Wilson's given up on this project in despair - anyone with any thoughts or projects? I'd still be in the market for this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share #11 Posted July 5, 2013 Chris, I spoke to Amadeo Muscelli about a M to Visoflex mount several months ago and he referred me to Wilson. I forgot to follow it up at the time but on reflection I doubt that Id get a lot of use out of such an adaptor so, at the price Amadeo would likely set, the cost-benefit equation wouldn't be positive enough for me. I have sufficient non-Viso lenses that will fill the gap. Pete. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted July 5, 2013 Share #12 Posted July 5, 2013 (edited) This also reminds me why we still need a source for an adapter tube which eliminates the need for the visoflex housing. I think Wilson's given up on this project in despair - anyone with any thoughts or projects? I'd still be in the market for this. Hi Chis, Archie had one made. Please start reading here http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/2212207-post51.html http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-collectors-historica/257005-flange-flange-distance-visoflex-body-3.html#post2212207 And following posts. If you want to go down this route, I'll order one as well. Thanks. Edited July 5, 2013 by k-hawinkler Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted July 5, 2013 Share #13 Posted July 5, 2013 Looks like a bunch of Bellows II owners are going to be in the market for adapters of some sort. Thanks for the heads up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy12 Posted July 6, 2013 Share #14 Posted July 6, 2013 How do you mount the bellows straight on the camera?? My 65 elmar doesn't fit on the camera, only seems to mount on the Visoflex. Visoflex, Bellows II and 90mm Elmar by chrisongtj, on Flickr Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 6, 2013 Share #15 Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) How do you mount the bellows straight on the camera?? My 65 elmar doesn't fit on the camera, only seems to mount on the Visoflex. The bellows in itself has a std. BM male mount... apart the IMPORTANT warning from Pete, it mounts on M body straight on. About the Elmar 65, you need an OTZFO/16464 focusing ring which isn't difficult to find : mounted on it, the Elmar 65 becomes a standard Visoflex lens and then, as for any other Viso lens, a BM/BM "spacer" of Viso length is also needed, as Chris reminded in previous post. Edited July 6, 2013 by luigi bertolotti Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 6, 2013 Share #16 Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) How do you mount the bellows straight on the camera?? My 65 elmar doesn't fit on the camera, only seems to mount on the Visoflex. Visoflex, Bellows II and 90mm Elmar by chrisongtj, on Flickr If you are trying to put any Visoflex lens on the M, you must have the correct spacing from the lens to the sensor or it won't focus to infinity. Since with the bellows you are not trying to focus to infinity, there is more leeway, so shorter mounts will work, and with some lenses using the bellows adjusted correctly could give the same effect as having the correct adapters. But as they say YMMV. M to R adapter with a R to V adapter (14167/14127) Edited July 6, 2013 by swamiji Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 6, 2013 Author Share #17 Posted July 6, 2013 (edited) My bellows fit like any other M-mount lens. (It would be of no practical use on your M6 but LiveView on the M240 can be used to view and focus through the bellows.) The 65 f/3.5 Elmar-V has a Visoflex mount that deliberately doesn't fit the M-mount. Pete. Edit: Cross-posted with Swamiji's post. Edited July 6, 2013 by farnz 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 6, 2013 Share #18 Posted July 6, 2013 Thanks for the head up Pete !!! Thinking of the day I'll have my M, time ago I tried to mount the Bellows directly on a M body... but used my M2 which has NO ring around the button... and with a knife/key it was very easy to operate it for dismount (I thought, anyway, to the OUFRO solution... ) Now.... if you want to afford an even worst adventure.... try to mount the Televit straight on the M.... ... i suspect you'd need really high surgery to dismount it (and is also a nonsense combo....) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swamiji Posted July 6, 2013 Share #19 Posted July 6, 2013 The 65 f/3.5 Elmar-V has a Visoflex mount that deliberately doesn't fit the M-mount. Pete. There is a bellows mount for 65 Elmar-V available. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispy12 Posted July 6, 2013 Share #20 Posted July 6, 2013 Thanks a lot. I bought the bellows a while ago and still trying to wrap my head around the adapters. I already have the focusing add on for the Elmar 65. Never knew the bellows fit directly on too. And now I won't even try! I've been using it with th visoflex and live view on the LCD, which frees up the hot shoe for external flash. Interesting combos. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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