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QUESTION..... I have been running b/w film through my  "new" R6.2 camera to get the hang of returning to a film mindset after digital.

Watching these threads I see people using very fast B/W films like ISO 1600, but colour images are generally slower films around ISO100.

Are colour more prone to grain than B/W at higher sensitivities or are there other reasons?

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QUESTION..... I have been running b/w film through my  "new" R6.2 camera to get the hang of returning to a film mindset after digital.

Watching these threads I see people using very fast B/W films like ISO 1600, but colour images are generally slower films around ISO100.

Are colour more prone to grain than B/W at higher sensitivities or are there other reasons?

Richard

 

With B&W, apparent grain has as much to do with developer as film. For instance -- and this is just my opinion / experience using my own home techniques -- Tri-X in D76 1:1 is much grainier than Portra 400, however Tri-X in Xtol is fairly comparable to Portra 400. That said, I prefer the D76 look. YMMV. 

 

Just speculating, but some of the tendency toward high-speed B&W might just be what's avail. In C41, Superia is the only film box-rated 1600 on the market. In E-6 land, there's nothing on the market faster than a box-speed 200 to the best of my knowledge. Over in B&W, Ilford Delta 3200 is box-rated at, well, 3200, but seems to produce better results at 1600. 

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It depends, I guess is the answer. I'm not sure colour C41 is more or less grainy than an equal-ISO b&w film. And it's an apples and carrots comparison anyway due to the influence of the type of film and developers used. But from a scanning perspective (and this is just based on my experience) it seems grain can appear much more obvious in colour negative scans because scanners are designed to pull as much detail as possible from the film, which results in colour noise in shadow areas. Of course, the human eye doesn't see a scene in the same way a scanner (or a digital camera's sensor) does. We tend to see shadow areas as much less nuanced (fewer gradations or 'shades') than what scanners and sensors do. Which, in turn, is why it is so important to set the black point well when scanning or post-processing. This can do away with a lot of the influence of colour noise on an image, as can denoising filters in for instance Photoshop. As can, also, scanning at a higher resolution and outputting at a lower resolution. As always, a properly exposed colour negative is pretty crucial to get a good scan.

 

QUESTION..... I have been running b/w film through my  "new" R6.2 camera to get the hang of returning to a film mindset after digital.

Watching these threads I see people using very fast B/W films like ISO 1600, but colour images are generally slower films around ISO100.

Are colour more prone to grain than B/W at higher sensitivities or are there other reasons?

Richard

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Zorki 1, 50mm 3.5 Industar, Agfa Vista 200

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Zorki 1, 50mm 3.5 Industar, Agfa Vista 200

 

 

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Zorki 1, 50mm 3.5 Industar, Agfa Vista 200

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M2, 50 ASPH, XP2 @ 800, Ilfotec HC, X1 scan:

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H by chrism229, on Flickr

 

Chris superb b&w picture in definition , contrast  and luminosity

 

25695768788_6e9b712edc_c.jpgLeicaflex with Cinestill by ganzology, on Flickr

 

Leicaflex with Cinestill by ganzology, on Flickr

 

39565936471_dcfa0fb54d_c.jpgLeicaflex with Cinestill by ganzology, on Flickr

 

Leicaflex with Cinestill by ganzology, on Flickr

 

Leicaflex with Cinestill by ganzology, on Flickr

 

In the upper end of Hoboken by 15th and 16th street, there's an area where people will leave their boats to seemingly rot.  It's become a sort of de facto boat graveyard if you will, and the boats sit there until they subside and ultimately sink.  I found it very interesting.

 

Leicaflex Standard Mk2 with 50mm 'cron Mk1.  Film: Cinestill 50D

 

Welcome Ganzo... Cinestill has here a clear color

You dev yourself ?

Thanks for posting

 

Same as above:

 

39543676282_cce8dbf4ab_o.jpgM7 ZM 50/2 Ektar 100 by edward karaa, on Flickr

 

Edward nice color of Ektar .... on some pictures above I notice a little veil of magenta

 

Leica M4-2, Summicron 2/50 rigid, Tmax 100, D76 1:1

 

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Superb black Klaus

 

Paestum, Italy (Leica III, Snapshotskopar 4/25, Ilford PanF)

 

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Very nice picture XBel in b&w

Best regards to All

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Backlight on beach of Dunkerque at sunset and low tide

 

 

 

Kodak Ektachrome - Leicaflex SL-50 Summicron

Nikon Coolscan 5000 Tiff  > Jpeg Uncorrected

 

 

 

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Notice details in the shadows in foreground

 

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