gberger Posted September 24, 2016 Share #21501 Posted September 24, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wish I hadn't sold my 35 Summicron V4. Gross Error. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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christoph_d Posted September 24, 2016 Share #21502 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) Henry, You hit a nerve here I was trying to think of the different criteria I am using to chose lenses and came up with the following: "Intangibles", which would include perceived values that cannot easily be established scientifically. "It looks good" or "My idol A.M. ( sorry I could not resist) took fantastic picture with a lens just like this" are examples. Highly subjective criteria, so not much that could be advised on that. (Brand comes into play here as well - "It's from Leica" - which in my humble opinion is a mixture of rational arguments, such as general experience with products of a brand, as well as irrational ones). The "Handling", and I add things like size, weight, ergonomics and build quality into this. Size and weight are self explanatory. Ergonomics depend also on a external factors, the camera used, the users hand sizes, etc. Build quality plays out over the lifetime of the product, but, perhaps more importantly to the feel of focussing without play etc. Measurable imaging characteristics. A lot can be measured here, resolution, contrast, MTF-diagrams, coma, astigmatism, maximum aperture, minimum aperture, field curvature etc, and a lot I am not really interested in as such. Perceived imaging results, (for me that's on film) basically answering the question how does a picture taken with this lens looks like. Again, this depends a lot on external factors as well, such as the lighting situation, the film / developer combination used, etc. All lenses score differently on the above criteria. I could not easily say one is always better than another. For example, I may use an aspherical Summilux for portraiture in a dimly lit environment, looking for a "clean image look"; probably paired with Tmax400 developed in XTOL. However, an older Summicron may be my lens of choice if I am after street shots in Paris, and I probably would combine this with Foma100 developed in Rodinal. To sum it up, what better argument do you have to justify your GAS? Best regards Christoph Edited September 24, 2016 by christoph_d 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christoph_d Posted September 24, 2016 Share #21503 Posted September 24, 2016 Henry - for what it is worth, I recently heard from the US rep for Arca Swiss (medium and large format camera company) that lenses have different max focus distance settings for infinity - i.e., infinity is not really what people think it means ("forever"). Lens makers will design their lenses with a different max focus distance (i.e., infinity). I don't know the ins and outs, but the Arca Swiss rep appears to be very familiar with Leica lenses and he said something that makes sense to me, which is the the summicron lenses are designed with a shorter "infinity" max focus distance. This is done in order to optimize the focus throw for street and other shooting at reasonably close distance. This may be relevant to you as I know that you do a fair amount of shooting of landscapes with very long distances. You might want to look into this and try to determine which of the Leica lenses have infinity max focuses that are optimal for landscapes. Having a lens with a relatively "short" infinity seeing may leave you with less than satisfactory tack sharpness at infinity with landscapes... Adam, I simply don't understand what you try to explain here. Could you try again for me please? Kind regards Christoph Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share #21504 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) Christoph, thank you for your enlightened opinion . A lens, we can say that this is the image , so the choice seems to me important.It has long time I wish to have a second 35 mm .As I have 4 cameras , I would like to have the choice when shooting like you said.I'll see depending on my financial means, what I want to dobut the weight of the lens is important to me. This is one of a selection criteriaI have two Leica SLR with R 6 lenses that I'm not using more, it is now too heavy for me I will give to my children if they want them. The Summicron 35 Asph is significantly lighter than the same Summilux 35 Asphit's really compact. I would like to test the Summicron version 4 called the "King of Bokeh" just to compare Best Henry Edited September 24, 2016 by Doc Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christoph_d Posted September 24, 2016 Share #21505 Posted September 24, 2016 Christoph, thank you for your enlightened opinion . A lens, we can say that this is the image , so the choice seems to me important.It has long time I wish to have a second 35 mm .As I have 4 cameras , I would like to have the choice when shooting like you said.I'll see depending on my financial means, what I want to dobut the weight of the lens is important to me. This is one of a selection criteriaI have two Leica SLR with R 6 lenses that I'm not using more, it is now too heavy for me I will give to my children if they want them. The Summicron 35 Asph is significantly lighter than the same Summilux 35 Asphit's really compact. I would like to test the Summicron version 4 called the "King of Bokeh" just to compare Best Henry Henry, In this case I'd recommend the 35cron version 4 to you (earlier 'cron versions and even the pre-.asph lux may be good as well, but I don't know them first hand). Images taken with these older lenses wide open have a decidedly different look and feel to the ones taken with the modern asph versions, and the size and weight, both of the 'cron and the 'lux is less than those of their modern counterparts. If it is not urgent to you we could try to meet up, for you to have a play with the v4. Rgds Christoph 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbealnz Posted September 24, 2016 Share #21506 Posted September 24, 2016 Or Doc, if you are still thinking in 11 months time, you can definitely try my 35/2 V2. Gary 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share #21507 Posted September 24, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Or Doc, if you are still thinking in 11 months time, you can definitely try my 35/2 V2. Gary Yes with pleasure next year in Paris for street photos ? Thanks Gary , you are a good guy Best Henry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share #21508 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) Henry, In this case I'd recommend the 35cron version 4 to you (earlier 'cron versions and even the pre-.asph lux may be good as well, but I don't know them first hand). Images taken with these older lenses wide open have a decidedly different look and feel to the ones taken with the modern asph versions, and the size and weight, both of the 'cron and the 'lux is less than those of their modern counterparts. If it is not urgent to you we could try to meet up, for you to have a play with the v4. Rgds Christoph Christoph, I just look in french forum photo if I can find one for sale ... No 35 V4 King of Bokeh for the moment Best Henry Edited September 24, 2016 by Doc Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share #21509 Posted September 24, 2016 Here the Summicron 35 mounted on the MP next to Summilux 35,even the hood is greater in the Summilux and the Summilux is heavier and bigger Left : MP-Summicron 35 Asph Right : M7-Summilux 35 Asph Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M9 Summilux 50 Asph Picture cropped Best Henry 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M9 Summilux 50 Asph Picture cropped Best Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3117894'>More sharing options...
janorun974 Posted September 24, 2016 Share #21510 Posted September 24, 2016 Madagascar, an old underdevelopped negative Xpan - XP2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 12 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3117913'>More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share #21511 Posted September 24, 2016 Madagascar, an old underdevelopped negative Xpan - XP2 Nice and great picture I like the smile of a girl Thanks for posting Best Henry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share #21512 Posted September 24, 2016 During my mission, sometimes you must leave the car and walk a few hours. We had several guides who accompany usYou have this picture that shows some village in plain are inaccessible , except by foot. Village in a middle of rice fields Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Sometimes the road is replaced by tracks and we will walk through the rice fields Kodak TMax100-Leica MP-50 Summilux Asph Best Henry 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Sometimes the road is replaced by tracks and we will walk through the rice fields Kodak TMax100-Leica MP-50 Summilux Asph Best Henry ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3117960'>More sharing options...
Beresford Posted September 24, 2016 Share #21513 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) I have been so inspired by this forum, and have read most of the pages... So, here is a quick snap taken in Delft earlier in the year. M2. 35mm f2 Summicron IV TriX stand developed in Rodinal and digitised in Plastic 8200. I have much to learn in the field of digital prints; but I am really looking forward to getting my wet darkroom back in action as there is no substitute for the satisfaction of a silver print. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited September 24, 2016 by Beresford 11 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3117963'>More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share #21514 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) I have been so inspired by this forum, and have read most of the pages... So, here is a quick snap taken in Delft earlier in the year. M2. 35mm f2 Summicron IV TriX stand developed in Rodinal and digitised in Plastic 8200. I have much to learn in the field of digital prints; but I am really looking forward to getting my wet darkroom back in action as there is no substitute for the satisfaction of a silver print. Delft Church Floor.jpg Hi Beresford , welcome to our thread . You'll come more often now About print , silver print is better in quality and rendering than digital print. Not the same process deposit ink on paper (digital print case) versus silver print ie impression of silver "inside" the paper ! ... and also the pleasure to do himself in his home lab instead of being in front of his computer ! Nice reflection in your picture Thanks for posting Best Henry Edited September 24, 2016 by Doc Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christoph_d Posted September 24, 2016 Share #21515 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) Henry, Here a picture to illustrate what you could expect should you go for the 35cron V4: close focus wide open. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! MP, 35, FP4, ns Rgds C. Edited September 24, 2016 by christoph_d 8 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! MP, 35, FP4, ns Rgds C. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3117986'>More sharing options...
christoph_d Posted September 24, 2016 Share #21516 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) And for what it's worth, here's another picture with the 35cron V4, this time with orange filter and stopped down quite a bit (~11?) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! MP, 35, APX100, ns Rgds C. PS.: It may be worthwhile to mention that some vignetting was applied in processing. Edited September 24, 2016 by christoph_d 6 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! MP, 35, APX100, ns Rgds C. PS.: It may be worthwhile to mention that some vignetting was applied in processing. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3117999'>More sharing options...
DirkR440 Posted September 24, 2016 Share #21517 Posted September 24, 2016 Dreaming Leica M2 with 50mm Summilux asph and Fuji Acros 100 Singapore on film by Dirk Raffel, auf Flickr 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkassenkunde Posted September 24, 2016 Share #21518 Posted September 24, 2016 Watercolors Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Lomo LC-A - Fuji Pro 160S 11 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Lomo LC-A - Fuji Pro 160S ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3118009'>More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share #21519 Posted September 24, 2016 Henry, Here a picture to illustrate what you could expect should you go for the 35cron V4: close focus wide open. 160723_1_MP_0027.jpg MP, 35, FP4, ns Rgds C. And for what it's worth, here's another picture with the 35cron V4, this time with orange filter and stopped down quite a bit (~11?) 160801_1_MP_0013.jpg MP, 35, APX100, ns Rgds C. PS.: It may be worthwhile to mention that some vignetting was applied in processing. Thanks Christoph for posting these two pictures taken with the King of Bokeh Effectively the definition wide open is still sharp (picture 1), the contrast is also nice highlighting the lady portrait ... the bokeh in background is also nice IMO Very soft tonality and must be used especially with film Regards Henry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share #21520 Posted September 24, 2016 (edited) Dreaming Leica M2 with 50mm Summilux asph and Fuji Acros 100 Singapore on film by Dirk Raffel, auf Flickr Dirk, nice capture and composition Thanks Best Henry Edited September 24, 2016 by Doc Henry 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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