MRTEE Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20321 Posted August 24, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank you Phillip and Adam , it's very helpful to read your individual thinking, regarding exposure preference. I'm soaking it all up. I just started with film again after a lengthy break,so enjoying your posts. Tony. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 24, 2016 Posted August 24, 2016 Hi MRTEE, Take a look here I like film...(open thread). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
EoinC Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20322 Posted August 24, 2016 Some TriX shots : In Mongolia , Pentax ME Super in Karakurum by JM__in Karakurum by JM__, on Flickr in Yemen, Hexar AF Street, Old Saana by JM__, on Flickr Cheers, JM. Wonderful, Jean Marc! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20323 Posted August 24, 2016 Hello Philip, Your system for exposing negative film & slide film in your Post #20353 is the traditional method used during the last quarter of the 20th Century. If you were to decode those little boxes on the side of your film cartridges they would tell you pretty much the same thing that you figured out empirically. Which is 1 of the reasons that electronically shuttered cameras with an "A" setting, which read these little boxes, sometimes seem to determine more accurate exposures than their mechanically timed siblings. Best Regards, Michael 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20324 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) I'm not too picky to be honest as this is just a hobby. Philip - Ha, ha, LOL, you slay me!! Not too picky?? Let's review: You are picky enough to prefer film... Then you are yet still picky enough shoot with a laborious Hasselblad... THEN you are still yet picky enough to shoot a dying and exposure-challenged slide film... Most of all, your insights on a meticulous scanning workflow (and arguable obsession with preserving shadow detail) is well documented (not just on this forum)... All this, and you say you are not "picky" and it's just a hobby?? Your pickiness is what I like most about you! You like to get into the details and perfect your craft, or hobby, or whatever it is I have learned a lot from you and it is all because of your pickiness!! Edited August 24, 2016 by A miller 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20325 Posted August 24, 2016 Hello Philip, Your system for exposing negative film & slide film in your Post #20353 is the traditional method used during the last quarter of the 20th Century. If you were to decode those little boxes on the side of your film cartridges they would tell you pretty much the same thing that you figured out empirically. Which is 1 of the reasons that electronically shuttered cameras with an "A" setting, which read these little boxes, sometimes seem to determine more accurate exposures than their mechanically timed siblings. Best Regards, Michael Dear Michael - Why stop there? What about the millions of disposable film cameras that have been sold over the decades that don't even have an aperture or shutter speed setting? Simply the use of a fast film and a lab that has the processing machines to fix bad exposure to a significant extent in the process of cranking out prints. Many if not most of those precious moments have been captured sufficiently ok with this workflow. Before I knew any better, I certainly never thought twice about it. To me, though, this line of reasoning has nothing to do with this thread. It is a utilitarian view of photography and not an artistic view. Best regards, Adam 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20326 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) Hello Adam, As per your Post #20360: "Picky" is a term that has a certain unstructured & flighty quality to it. I do not see Philip as being a "picky" person in terms of how he does things. I think of Philip as a person who purposefully does things in a precise manner. A somewhat different set of circumstances. Best Regards, Michael Edited August 24, 2016 by Michael Geschlecht 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20327 Posted August 24, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello Adam, As per your Post #20360: "Picky" is a term that has a certain unstructured & flighty quality to it. I do not see Philip as being a "picky" person in terms of how he does things. I think of Philip as a person who purposefully does things in a precise manner. A somewhat different set of circumstances. Best Regards, Michael Hello Michael, Some definitions of the term "picky" from the internet that I found on a quick perusal: exacting especially about details; very careful or too careful about choosing or accepting things : hard to please very selective In the context of the world in which we live, every one of us (you not excluded) are "picky" - with a doctoral diploma - about our photography and related workflow Best regards, Adam 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20328 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) Hello Adam, Thank you for your response in your Post #20361. What I was writing about in my Post #20359 was that Philip had empirically rediscovered that the marked box film speed was not always the speed that gave the optimal results. I was pointing out that film cartridges from sometime in the 1980's had the parameters of film speed, etc encoded in the 12 little boxes on their sides & that Philip had, pretty much, figured out what was encoded there. Best Regards, Michael Edited August 24, 2016 by Michael Geschlecht 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20329 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) Hello Adam, Thank you for your reply in your Post #20363. I prefer the terms "purposeful" & "precise" for all of us. You included. because of the connotations sometimes attached to "picky". Then again: 5 people can sit in the same chair & look at the same apple & see very different things. And everybody benefits from a discussion of these differences in perception. Best Regards, Michael Edited August 24, 2016 by Michael Geschlecht 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20330 Posted August 24, 2016 Hello Adam, Thank you for your response in your Post #20361. What I was writing about in my Post #20359 was that Philip had empirically rediscovered that the marked box film speed was not always the speed that gave the optimal results. I was pointing out that film cartridges from sometime in the 1980's had the parameters of film speed, etc encoded in the 12 little boxes on their sides & that Philip had, pretty much, figured out what was encoded there. Best Regards, Michael Thanks for your response that you made in Post #20,364. One thing that we can agree on is that Philip is a great photographer and over the years has been very generous with his personal time and taught us all a lot. Cheers! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christoph_d Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20331 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) ... In the context of the world in which we live, every one of us (you not excluded) are "picky" - with a doctoral diploma - about our photography and related workflow Best regards, Adam Nice one Adam: Every time I go out to take photos I have to "pick": - a camera - a lens - a film So of course I am picky Edited August 24, 2016 by christoph_d 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20332 Posted August 24, 2016 Nice one Adam: Every time I go out to take photos I have to "pick": - a camera - a lens - a film So of course I am picky 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christoph_d Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20333 Posted August 24, 2016 At the Rhone Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Rollei 35T, Eagle640@200, ns Rgds Christoph 13 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Rollei 35T, Eagle640@200, ns Rgds Christoph ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3101249'>More sharing options...
EoinC Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20334 Posted August 24, 2016 At the Rhone 160724_1_Rollei35T_0023.jpg Rollei 35T, Eagle640@200, ns Rgds Christoph This is great, Christoph. There is a feeling that there is an important message that we're only getting a part of, and need to decipher. There is a human element, that suggests something is happening...and, there is a reflection! If we saw the whole boat, I'm sure it would be a less thought-provoking image. I really like this shot - thank you. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20335 Posted August 24, 2016 What an interesting discussion I accidentally caused. Adam and Michael, thank you for the (unnecessarily) kind words. I suppose to prefer film in this day and age is some sort of madness, at least if one were to apply the standard that, given the choice between digital and film, most would naturally pick the perceived "easiest" way of photographing, being digital. In my case, and I have a feeling there is one or two other forum members who feel the same, using film a just matter of habit. This is especially true with respect to slide film, actually, which really was my first "love" in terms of emulsions ever since I shot that first Velvia 50 in the 80s. I'm actually wondering if to begin with, or switch to, film today is not a bigger step than I ever took; I just remained on more or less the same path I've trod since I began. I think this forum, esp the Film part and this thread, and a few others, like RFF, APUG and LFF, are the best places to discuss film photography today. I have learnt and keep learning enormous amounts, particularly from those who, like you Adam, who have really dived into photography to explore it fully and share your experiences. br Philip Philip - Ha, ha, LOL, you slay me!! Not too picky?? Let's review:You are picky enough to prefer film... Then you are yet still picky enough shoot with a laborious Hasselblad... THEN you are still yet picky enough to shoot a dying and exposure-challenged slide film... Most of all, your insights on a meticulous scanning workflow (and arguable obsession with preserving shadow detail) is well documented (not just on this forum)... All this, and you say you are not "picky" and it's just a hobby?? Your pickiness is what I like most about you! You like to get into the details and perfect your craft, or hobby, or whatever it is I have learned a lot from you and it is all because of your pickiness!! 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20336 Posted August 24, 2016 I think this is a terrific shot, and a bit sad. The lady is out on the water on what seems a beautiful day but she plays with her phone. Perhaps she's editing a photo of the scenery though One more...Massimo 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
too old to care Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20337 Posted August 24, 2016 Though I would post one from more recent times. Tri-x exposed at 200, Hasselblad 501c with 80mm Zeiss, Rodinal 50:1, negative scanned on Canon flatbed scanner. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 13 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205842-i-like-filmopen-thread/?do=findComment&comment=3101288'>More sharing options...
MaDeVa Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20338 Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) Souvenirs from the sea. Nidri, Lefkada, Greece. M7, Lux 50 V2, RPX100 Massimo Edited August 24, 2016 by MaDeVa 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrism Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20339 Posted August 24, 2016 What an interesting discussion I accidentally caused. Adam and Michael, thank you for the (unnecessarily) kind words. I suppose to prefer film in this day and age is some sort of madness, at least if one were to apply the standard that, given the choice between digital and film, most would naturally pick the perceived "easiest" way of photographing, being digital. In my case, and I have a feeling there is one or two other forum members who feel the same, using film a just matter of habit. Perhaps even principle rather than habit—if it is harder to do it might be more worthwhile? That is, to exercise arcane knowledge is a demonstration or validation of who we are? Well, I simply have a very large freezer full of film that must be used by some uncertain deadline. So here are a couple of images to that end: Pentax K1000, 150mm/3.5, XP2, HC-110, X1 scan: Pondside by chrism229, on Flickr Nikon FM3a, 85mm/f1.8, TMax 100, HC-110, X1 scan: Fallen Apples by chrism229, on Flickr As regular readers know, I have simplified my Leica holdings to an M2, a 35FLE, 50ASPH and 90Summarit. I confess I still enjoy the old SLRs of my youth. Unexpectedly, I enjoyed using the FM3a far more than the K1000 on this walk (even though I owe that particular K1000 so much for all the wonderful memories it preserved for me since 1976!) And the Pentax K2, which is to replace all the failed Pentax ME Supers, is set to arrive tomorrow, pace FedEx. I shall have to try to be more Dionysian than Apollonian! Chris 11 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted August 24, 2016 Share #20340 Posted August 24, 2016 I agree with you Chris; principle could play a part, too, at least today. Or it's just that we love smell of fixer in the morning. It smells like...photography Anyway, at the risk of lowering the level too far, here's another shot, from Budva in Montenegro. Flickr TTL 90 Elmarit-M Superia 400 (EI 100) 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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