CRAW and PHOTOSHOP users: AWAKE!!!!

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Big and transcendent changes are announced by Adobe without I've detected in the Leica Forum the reaction they should have provoked. As I've understood and with all the cautions that my knowledge of English, some news...

 

1 - From the beginning of June Adobe reserves in exclusivity all the new versions, updates, upgrades, new tools and performances of Photoshop, CRAW and many other products to their customers of the cloud. That's to say, the ones who pay to them a periodically rent (with several options, including an economical unbearable perpetual rent, particularly for people not professional).

 

2 - This rent, of course, might be cancelled but since that very moment the old customer would lost all his rights to re-edit his pictures with the tools and means he has used in the software of cloud.

The pictures in that moment keep blocked in the final state they were when the rent ended.

 

3 - It also means that since then, PS CS6 will be forever the last software we can use with freedom in the future without any possibility of upgrading to new performances, tools, and, above all, with any warranty that could be use in future operative systems Windows, Mac, etc.

 

4 - Adobe Lightroom keeps in no man's land. Must be studied, but for me and many others is a product for semi or professional photographers, with a big amount of pictures to edit and treat in long series.

 

I would agree with Adobe if , after a prefixed minimum period of renting the software, gave the option for a fee also previously fixed, to acquire permits to use the software indefinitely in the customer computer in the state it were in the moment the fee was paid.

 

Please take my words with care. They only mean what I've understood. It can be wrong, but my personal conclusion is that in two years, at the most, I'll be forced to change my photography software. Will you?

[jaapv]

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-post-processing-forum/283249-photoshop-creative-cloud-new-camera-shake.html

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-post-processing-forum/284881-adobe-cc-capture-one-pro.html

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-post-processing-forum/279534-ps-cs5-transfer-windows-mac.html

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-post-processing-forum/283355-lightroom-moving-creative-cloud.html

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Please take my words with care. They only mean what I've understood. It can be wrong, but my personal conclusion is that in two years, at the most, I'll be forced to change my photography software. Will you?

 

It has been discussed before Francisco. After the initial outrage I think people realise that Photoshop will last for many years in its current form before they find it has become too old, and as you say, Lightroom is still carrying on and being developed. But I think ultimately this will encourage other software developers to step in and offer something very similar to Photoshop. And who knows, Adobe's end of year accounts will tell them if they made a good decision and if they should carry on with it.

 

Steve

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Jaap, sorry to have awaked so late and not in the appropiate bed.

 

Thank you,

 

Francisco.

[jaapv]

I'll see in a few years. My workflow evolves and there is more out there than just Photoshop. The way Capture One is going, it should be a viable alternative.

[jaapv]

Jaap, sorry to have awaked so late and not in the appropiate bed.

 

Thank you,

 

Francisco.

Sometimes awaking in the wrong bed is no hardship.

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Since few years I've used a non professional version of Capture One (now Express 7), may be I'll end using the PRO.

 

I agree with you and think that to awake, even late, is best that being dead.

 

Thank you for your patience with many of us.

 

Francisco.

[FMB]

Steve, as you say the accounts will tell us how this story ends.

[kdriceman]

I'm sure I can get by for at least a couple years with my LR + CS6. By then this will either have been an utter failure, Adobe will have terms that are acceptable for photographers or a viable competitor will have emerged. It looks like since I'm stuck with CS6 I will, however, have to continue to control motion blur in camera rather than in post.

[wda]

I am content with LR and CS4 and a useful range of plug-ins from Nik and Topaz.

[tobey bilek]

Who ever heard of renting software !

 

Maybe if they could develop a price structure for non professionals.

 

I have two problems. One is I got talked into a M8 and last Sept a M9. So now I have DNG files by default. It is easy to find a place for Nikon files.

 

The second is I discovered Adobe`s DNG Profile editor. My M8 now gets near perfect colors so I need something that accepts that, LightRoom and I even looked at Photoshop Elements. Elements is coming along, but it is still a toy. LR is one of those programs that needs a library and that makes it a pain to work with.

 

Capture One and DxO are to be considered.

 

In the mean time, I have LR and CS6 on a new Mac Pro. HD is cloned to 2 spare disks after all the programs were installed. I can put in a new HD in less than 10 minutes if required, 2 if I purchase a spare HD carrier and do not have to swap out a drive with 4 screws. All four HD bays are used. What a wonderful machine. The self calibrating Eizo 27" Color Edge Monitor I got from B&H to mate with it is to die for.

 

I do not rent houses or cars, and certainly will not do software.

[Orient XI]

Who ever heard of renting software !

 

LR is one of those programs that needs a library and that makes it a pain to work with.

 

 

It certainly is AND it has taken over my Microsoft filing system for everything else!

Further it was designed for idiots who didn't even know the day of the week.

[stunsworth]

LR is one of those programs that needs a library and that makes it a pain to work with.

 

If desired you can put the photo files anywhere on a hard drive and tell Lightroom to import them without moving them - ie leave them where you've put them. If you don't want them in your Lightroom catalogue when you've finished working on them they can be all deleted from the catalogue with a couple of clicks, and the files will be left on the hard drive.

[stunsworth]

It certainly is AND it has taken over my Microsoft filing system for everything else!

Further it was designed for idiots who didn't even know the day of the week.

 

How has it taken over your filing system? As mentioned earlier you can put the files wherever you want and if desired Lightroom will leave them in the relevant directories.

 

Not sure what you mean by the last sentance. It's anything but.

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Before I took up the offer to download Lightroom 4 on the purchase of my M9 I used Photoshop 7. When downloading from my SD card I used to make a monthly file and download to that. Special events such as a holiday where much photography took place or, say,a family wedding had their own files within this structure. All I had to do to find one of the 2-3000 photographs I take each year was to look in one or two files. With daily filing I have to look through many more files. What's more I could extract and replace a file without hitting 54 keys every time. Lightroom reminds me of the bad old days of Microsoft in the '80's when you had to complete a task Bill Gates' way or not at all.

To my mind it is designed for hack wedding photographers who are too lazy (or too incompetent) to print their own files. This suits the people who make moderately expensive photobooks fine. Unfortunately for us Europeans there is no provision for European size paper in the presets. This would be simple to include as all the A paper sizes have the common ratio of 1:1.414 of the shorter to longer side. The number after A gives the number of sheets per square metre by raising 2 to that power (e.g there are 16 A4 sheets to the square metre since 2^4 = 16).

Because I have a smallish solid-state, very fast C-drive on my bespoke computer I am always fighting the defaults in Lightroom which wants to dump everything into that drive. If it wasn't for its noise reduction features I would uninstall it and return to Photoshop 7 which I have to use to print the photographs exported erratically from Lightroom anyway.

Adobe don't seem to wish to accept my invited reviews, possibly the title Why I am uninstalling Lightroom puts them off.

[stunsworth]

Before I took up the offer to download Lightroom 4 on the purchase of my M9 I used Photoshop 7. When downloading from my SD card I used to make a monthly file and download to that. Special events such as a holiday where much photography took place or, say,a family wedding had their own files within this structure

 

Assuming you meant a monthly directory, there's nothing to stop you doing that in Lightroom. Copy the files to whatever directory you want, and then tell lightroom to import that directory, and leave the files where they are.

 

Lightroom will put things where you tell it to put them, or it will leave them were they are. The option is yours.

[bill_murray]

..... When downloading from my SD card I used to make a monthly file and download to that. Special events such as a holiday where much photography took place or, say,a family wedding had their own files within this structure

 

You can do,precisely that with Lightroom... download as you used to, to a directory / folder structure of your choice, then add (rather than move) what youve downloaded to the LR catalogue?

 

In Library module, LR will present your directory/ folder structure precisely in the same way as you have chosen to create that structure, giving you access to photos added to the LR catalogue, without touching their directory / folder location.

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I recognize I had never studied in depth Lightroom and Capture One Pro and as I've been using for long Photoshop + Bridge + CRAW. I can tell that for me this is the easiest, fully and simple workflow and the best system for the big segment of photographers like me (neither professional nor with a huge amount of pictures a year).

 

For me the last news from Adobe mean a dramatic revolution and a substancial shift that bother me a lot. I'm in a stage of my live where I would feel unconfortable having to start with new and unusual procedures... above all after years and years buying faithfully the many Photoshop editions.

 

I object to that!

 

 

Francisco.

[otto.f]

I wonder what improvements can be done after CS6 and LR5 and not getting an unnatural high image quality and departing from basic principles of photography, such as choosing your selective focus point at the moment of capture and avoiding movement blur. What more would you wish for to get ideal prints?

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[Orient XI]

Assuming you meant a monthly directory, there's nothing to stop you doing that in Lightroom. Copy the files to whatever directory you want, and then tell lightroom to import that directory, and leave the files where they are.

 

Lightroom will put things where you tell it to put them, or it will leave them were they are. The option is yours.

 

Thanks Bill & stuny for your advice. I have taken it but to make doubly sure I translated "Library" and the months into German when naming the files to fool the Big Brother in Lightroom (a tactic that works admirably in Xcel — apart from April and November). Then what did it do? It split the photos into daily sub-files!

Mind you I also shot myself in the foot by having always set my digital Leicas permanently to Greenwich Mean Time. Photographing the glories of the American West on Pacific Daylight Time means the day ends at 15:00PDT and any photos taken after that time go into the next day's file.