stunsworth Posted May 23, 2013 Share #121 Posted May 23, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't see an AF option either. If they can't keep up with the M240, how are they to be able to make a selection of AF lenses to meet the demand? Maybe this is where Panasonic come into play - or Leica expect there to be sufficient capacity at their new factory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 23, 2013 Posted May 23, 2013 Hi stunsworth, Take a look here Mini M? [MERGED] AKA X-Vario. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
gmpphotography Posted May 23, 2013 Share #122 Posted May 23, 2013 here's what i found on Overgaard's site based on Stefan Daniel's comments about this camera in 2010...apparently it's been in the works for a LONG time. "A Leica mini-M seem to be under development and will - according to Stefan Daniel at a speech back in September 2010- not be ready for Photokina 2012... So we are talking later than that. But what we do know is that they are aiming at a mirrorles camera (the Leica M has always been mirrorless, but we're probably talking CMOS sensors that will enabe live view and thus focus confirmation). This camerea will also contain the R-solution which means that it will be able to take R lenses and offer focus confirmation for these." To me that makes the most sense. Going by Stefan Daniel's talk in 2010, thios camera has obviously been in the pipeline. I cannot believe that they would just give up on it and waste the development costs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted May 23, 2013 Share #123 Posted May 23, 2013 There is already a crop camera (X2) so it has to be a FF camera, otherwose1. why should sbd buy an X2?!? 1. Because it's cheaper, and because the purchaser is happy with a fixed lens. 2. Because it's cheaper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted May 23, 2013 Share #124 Posted May 23, 2013 You have to laugh when Leica are pre-announcing a new camera when their previous one is not yet even in volume production. If it is in volume production, where are they all going? If they have produced an FF camera in a more compact form than the M240, that will be interesting but I seriously doubt whether they have reduced the front-to-back depth and given the space taken up by the new battery, it will be interesting to see what they have missed out. The rangefinder has to be a possibility. In the meantime, they are failing their M9 customers by not fixing the discreet mode hang up problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted May 23, 2013 Share #125 Posted May 23, 2013 ... My bet is FF CMOS Leica M-E without live view and EVF option. That would cannibalize the sales of the M from the diehards (like some on this forum) while offering nothing appealing to the general public. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KanzaKruzer Posted May 23, 2013 Share #126 Posted May 23, 2013 M8 format, EVF, M lenses, available with either a color or monochrome sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted May 23, 2013 Share #127 Posted May 23, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) An 'M' is an interchangable lens camera, so hopefully an m43 body with a proper rangefinder window. It would take advantage of all the great m43 lenses already available, equal to Leica quality in many cases, and both the new Panasonic or Olympus/Sony sensors are superb. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted May 23, 2013 Share #128 Posted May 23, 2013 An 'M' is an interchangable lens camera, so hopefully an m43 body Steve I hope not I had a OM-D for a bit and the sensor is definitely below my threshold Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted May 23, 2013 Share #129 Posted May 23, 2013 IMHO, it has to be an M 240 without the RF. Anything else and it will be a total failure. People are already using M glass on all sorts of crop sensor mirrorless bodies. Why should they buy an expensive Leica when they do the same on a Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Panasonic... etc. Besides, the R&D for such camera has all been done already, with the M 240. With the rumored Nex 9 FF coming next year, this is the only remaining field for Leica to be a pioneer, and actually protect itself from the Nex 9 threat, that for sure will cannibalize sales of the M 240, except for diehard RF fans. I believe Leica must do it. It doesn't have the choice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted May 23, 2013 Share #130 Posted May 23, 2013 I have a really radical suggestion... shall we not allow ourselves to be manipulated by the teaser ads and just wait and see...? ... I think the manipulative aim of the teaser ad is that we just wait and see - and buy. Doesn't work with this forum, since we know better what Leice will or should or should not present on 06/11. Before the M 240 was presented, I was sure that the "adaequate solution" for adapting R-lenses would be a digital MD - full frame CMOS-Sensor, live-view, no rangefinder. It's impossible that I was wrong - it was only Leica which was not in time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted May 23, 2013 Share #131 Posted May 23, 2013 i think this is just a ploy to drive up traffic through the forum .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted May 23, 2013 Share #132 Posted May 23, 2013 IMHO, it has to be an M 240 without the RF. Anything else and it will be a total failure. ... I believe Leica must do it. It doesn't have the choice. Except, people are already mentioning that focusing through EVF, and LiveView is much slower. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted May 23, 2013 Share #133 Posted May 23, 2013 Except, people are already mentioning that focusing through EVF, and LiveView is much slower. The way it is implemented in the GXR-M is actually faster than RF focusing. But I agree that the M 240 implementation is not ideal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted May 23, 2013 Share #134 Posted May 23, 2013 An 'M' is an interchangable lens camera, so hopefully an m43 body with a proper rangefinder window. It would take advantage of all the great m43 lenses already available, equal to Leica quality in many cases, and both the new Panasonic or Olympus/Sony sensors are superb. Steve But why? Why wouldn't they want to separate themselves from the micro 4/3 market. Why go head to head with olympus and panasonic? Why would they want people happy to use their micro 4/3 lenses rather than leica's lenses. Why wouldn't they want to provide an alternative (FF) that noone else can match, optimised for Leicas glass? Why, when they've a bespoke sensor, would they not choose to use it? Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borbarad Posted May 23, 2013 Share #135 Posted May 23, 2013 wow.. But I think which will be a damn save bid is that this New Leica will not have a Rangefinder. So what could this be? My gues it will be a EVIL either a 1.5 crop or a m4/3 and with this rumour going on: (FT5) The dreamcamera will become true! New GX has in body IS and tiltable EVF!!! | 43 Rumors I think we will see a Leica with GX2 internals and m4/3 mount incl an adapter for M-Mount lenses. B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted May 23, 2013 Share #136 Posted May 23, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted May 23, 2013 Share #137 Posted May 23, 2013 What's next? A Mini ME? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted May 23, 2013 Share #138 Posted May 23, 2013 IMHO, it has to be an M 240 without the RF. Anything else and it will be a total failure. People are already using M glass on all sorts of crop sensor mirrorless bodies. Why should they buy an expensive Leica when they do the same on a Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Panasonic... etc. Besides, the R&D for such camera has all been done already, with the M 240. With the rumored Nex 9 FF coming next year, this is the only remaining field for Leica to be a pioneer, and actually protect itself from the Nex 9 threat, that for sure will cannibalize sales of the M 240, except for diehard RF fans. I believe Leica must do it. It doesn't have the choice. I think a 1.3 crop in a significantly smaller body (aka M6) that can take M lenses would be a winner. Of course FF would be a bonus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted May 23, 2013 Share #139 Posted May 23, 2013 http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/attachments/leica-m9-forum/378032d1369336061-mini-m-m-mini.jpg I would love this! Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted May 23, 2013 Share #140 Posted May 23, 2013 I think a 1.3 crop in a significantly smaller body (aka M6) that can take M lenses would be a winner. Of course FF would be a bonus Agreed, but with the FF Nex 9 without AA filter in the works, the 1.3 crop sensor glory will be very short lived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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