dkCambridgeshire Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2221 Posted June 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Story 3 clearly says LC1 was made by Pansonic, then Story 5 Leica claims they made it aka Digilux3. Oh dear. Same with the lens. Anyhow this is known for years. Given the history XVario lens may well be made by Panasonic (just as Digilux2 , Digilux 3 lens) with the glass itself from Leicas special forumla. It's not a matter of "Oh dear" ... The Olympus E-330, Panasonic LC-1 and Leica Digilux 3 cameras were all based on the same chassis - but were different cameras both physically and electronically ... each partner's specifications differed. And the Leica D lenses were a joint project between Leica and Panasonic. ... as documented in the link. If you wish to be in denial of these facts so be it. Your similarly speculative assumptions about the X Vario's lens without you having any documentary proof are noted. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dkCambridgeshire Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2222 Posted June 24, 2013 But just imagine the thing blown up to APS-C compatible size and screwed on to an X2 type body...As it is it even looks overlarge on a brick like the Digilux 3;) This is the Leica D Vario Elmar 14-150mm f3.5-5.6 on my Olympus E-5 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It appears to be a large lens but in use it's quite manageable at all focal lengths. dunk Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! It appears to be a large lens but in use it's quite manageable at all focal lengths. dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/205247-mini-m-merged-aka-x-vario/?do=findComment&comment=2357610'>More sharing options...
pop Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2223 Posted June 24, 2013 ... Nowadays lens design advancerments allow for much smaller whilst keeping speed at f2.8. .... You do know what the number named "f" stands for, don't you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onceuponatime Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2224 Posted June 24, 2013 I was seriously considering purchasing Xvario, as i feel its simple elgance would be just right and the Digiuux2 of this decade. However, given the appearance of Digilux3, Leica may well bring out an interchangeable X with some lovely fast AF lenses (which will again be made by Pansonic with Leica's special glass formula). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2225 Posted June 24, 2013 I was seriously considering purchasing Xvario, as i feel its simple elgance would be just right and the Digiuux2 of this decade.However, given the appearance of Digilux3, Leica may well bring out an interchangeable X with some lovely fast AF lenses (which will again be made by Pansonic with Leica's special glass formula). The Digilux 3 was a massive failure. Leica have said they're not interested in 4/3 which is favoured by Panasonic. I think you'll be waiting a very long time for 'your' camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onceuponatime Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2226 Posted June 24, 2013 The Digilux 3 was a massive failure. Leica have said they're not interested in 4/3 which is favoured by Panasonic. I think you'll be waiting a very long time for 'your' camera. XApsc interchangeable not 4/3. Market wasnt ready for a Digilux3. We shall see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2227 Posted June 24, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) And it was justly a massive failure. I was horrified when I saw that lump at Photokina in 2006, all the more so as I had my beloved Digilux2 with me at the time and could compare. Having said that, it is not a bad camera with an excellent kit lens. I still use it daily for medical photography with the Olympus extender and ringflash with very satisfactory results. The sensor is not for all subjects though, it tends to render foliage looking like an aquarel painting. We shall see nothing. There will never be a Leica 4/3rds again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onceuponatime Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2228 Posted June 24, 2013 We shall see nothing. There will never be a Leica 4/3rds. XApsc interchangeable not 4/3. Is what i wrote so difficult to comprehend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2229 Posted June 24, 2013 This was 2006 dear. Nowadays lens design advancerments allow for much smaller whilst keeping speed at f2.8. Yet even in 2006 there was a constant apsc f2.8 18-50mm with 67mm filter with max length 85mm (Xvario max length 70mm). Basically Leica just dont have the resources to make Autofocus lenses especially small fast, it would require a whole new plant. Nowadays the laws of optics are the same as they have always been. LuLa has been quoted: You can have only two out of three parameters on a zoom lens: 1. High quality 2. High speed 3. Small size Take your pick.... Leica builds the best small fast lenses in their class in the world, be it manual M-series, C-series, or autofocus S series. Your last sentence is nothing short of ridiculous. Is what i wrote so difficult to comprehend.[/quote It is very comprehensible. It just happens to make no sense at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2230 Posted June 24, 2013 Leica X Vario DNG files will open in Lightroom 4 ... might be of interest to anyone wishing to try the camera and who does not have LR5 . A friend borrowed my X Vario this morning and downloaded the DNG files to his LR4. And BTW ... he is very impressed with quality of the pics especially when viewed at 'actual pixels' at ISO 3200. I think he's considering acquiring an X Vario himself now - he's a Leica Forum member. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2231 Posted June 24, 2013 Nowadays lens design advancerments allow for much smaller whilst keeping speed at f2.8. You do know what the number named "f" stands for, don't you? Lmao Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2232 Posted June 24, 2013 XApsc interchangeable not 4/3. Market wasnt ready for a Digilux3. We shall see. I disagree, I think the market had already moved on when the Digilux 3 came out. It had a smaller sensor than the typical DSLR and an EVF, yet it was larger than most DSLRS with optical finders of course! It was a pointless design. Micro 4/3 came shortly after and made much more sense, but Leica will never go down that route. I agree that a new Leica camera like an X2/Vario but with interchangeable lenses will come along at some point, but it won't be a PanaLeica and it won't happen any time soon. If you're waiting for a crop sensor EVIL camera that takes different lenses then look to one of the other brands for your solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2233 Posted June 24, 2013 Is what i wrote so difficult to comprehend. Your enthusiasm is commendable; your beliefs and opinions are questionable and against the grain of known, proven and accepted facts. There are forum members who have a more comprehensive understanding of the laws of optics than you appear to possess. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted June 24, 2013 Share #2234 Posted June 24, 2013 I disagree, I think the market had already moved on when the Digilux 3 came out. It had a smaller sensor than the typical DSLR and an EVF, yet it was larger than most DSLRS with optical finders of course! It was a pointless design. Micro 4/3 came shortly after and made much more sense, but Leica will never go down that route. I agree that a new Leica camera like an X2/Vario but with interchangeable lenses will come along at some point, but it won't be a PanaLeica and it won't happen any time soon. If you're waiting for a crop sensor EVIL camera that takes different lenses then look to one of the other brands for your solution. Digilux 3 has an optical view finder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baretta Posted June 25, 2013 Share #2235 Posted June 25, 2013 After play around one hour, finally i bought x vario....so far so good:D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iforum Posted June 25, 2013 Share #2236 Posted June 25, 2013 Fujifilm X-M1 Hands-on Preview: Digital Photography Review Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 25, 2013 Share #2237 Posted June 25, 2013 Fujifilm X-M1 Hands-on Preview: Digital Photography Review ...the X-M1 has no eye-level viewfinder at all, nor any option for a plug-in electronic viewfinder.Another chimping machine then. Thanks no thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted June 25, 2013 Share #2238 Posted June 25, 2013 After play around one hour, finally i bought x vario....so far so good:D Good for you. I sincerely hope you enjoy it, and share your photos and experience with the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted June 25, 2013 Share #2239 Posted June 25, 2013 Digilux 3 has an optical view finder. Yes, I forgot that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iforum Posted June 25, 2013 Share #2240 Posted June 25, 2013 chimps are outnumbering humans:cool: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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