mabbo Posted March 21, 2013 Share #1 Posted March 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello all! So I've been lurking this forum for a while now, ever since I picked up a M3 and got sucked in haha. Finally joined once the developments of the new M started to build up. I'm a videographer by trade so naturally the video capability really sparked my interest in the new camera. Even though the most recent reviews in regards to the M's video output are lackluster, I'm still looking forward be able to use Leica glass to shoot video Here's my most recent work (filmed & edited), where I would have much preferred to have used Leica primes at full aperture to achieve the look I was going for: Stranger In A House (Fashion Video) on Vimeo 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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01af Posted March 22, 2013 Share #2 Posted March 22, 2013 Wow! What did you use to create this? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabbo Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share #3 Posted March 22, 2013 Wow! What did you use to create this? Nothing exciting I'm afraid haha I filmed with a Canon 7D and 60D with various Canon, Zeiss & Sigma prime lenses. Color graded & edited in FCP7. Thank you for watching! 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-hawinkler Posted March 22, 2013 Share #4 Posted March 22, 2013 Nothing exciting I'm afraid hahaI filmed with a Canon 7D and 60D with various Canon, Zeiss & Sigma prime lenses. Color graded & edited in FCP7. Thank you for watching! Great shots! In which ways could you improve on that with an M and Leica lenses? Thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 22, 2013 Share #5 Posted March 22, 2013 It sure looks like Leica territory... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabbo Posted March 22, 2013 Author Share #6 Posted March 22, 2013 Great shots!In which ways could you improve on that with an M and Leica lenses? Thanks. Yes good question... Honestly I don't know if it would have been improved or not! But this is only because I have never gotten to use Leica glass for video. I do know that for this particular project I wanted to utilize narrow DOF using the lens at maximum aperture. Consequently if this was a photo assignment I would have reached for the Leica primes over the other brands because I prefer how Leica renders the image especially the OOF areas. So for the same reasons we prefer the rendering and draw of Leica glass for photography, I would want those same characteristics to be exploited in video (if the project calls for it). I hope that made sense 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted March 23, 2013 Share #7 Posted March 23, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thorsten Overgaard concludes that the Leica M240 video facility is of more interest to consumers than to professional filmmakers and states the following in a long article, which you may want to read, on his blog to which there is a link in the first post of this thread: ...So many things are not designed for video in the Leica M Type 240 that it indicates that Leica Camera AG simply tried to resemble the Leica D-Lux 6. A consumer amera that is very good for consumers, but unlikely to be used for videographers or professional filmmakers...—Mitch/Potomac, MDParis au rythme de Basquiat and Other Poems [download link for book project] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabbo Posted March 23, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted March 23, 2013 Thorsten Overgaard concludes that the Leica M240 video facility is of more interest to consumers than to professional filmmakers and states the following in a long article, which you may want to read, on his blog to which there is a link in the first post of this thread:—Mitch/Potomac, MDParis au rythme de Basquiat and Other Poems [download link for book project] Oh yes I've read Thorsten's article and watched his short video demo with the Noctilux (jealous! ) I've also seen the latest professional video made by Johnnie Behiri using the new M ( ). And from everything I've seen and read, I still look forward to using the M and Leica glass when it fits the project (like the one above). I'm not getting rid of my Canons any time soon. Mind you my only Leica camera currently is a M3, but I've been on the market for a digital Leica for quite some time. Now with the M, its almost a no-brainer for my specific case. Of course my bank account isn't as easily convinced Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdriceman Posted March 23, 2013 Share #9 Posted March 23, 2013 Oh yes I've read Thorsten's article and watched his short video demo with the Noctilux (jealous! ) I've also seen the latest professional video made by Johnnie Behiri using the new M ( ). And from everything I've seen and read, I still look forward to using the M and Leica glass when it fits the project (like the one above). I'm not getting rid of my Canons any time soon. Mind you my only Leica camera currently is a M3, but I've been on the market for a digital Leica for quite some time. Now with the M, its almost a no-brainer for my specific case. Of course my bank account isn't as easily convinced Behiri's video was nicely done, but a bit of a snoozer. Yours on the other hand did not put me to sleep. At all. Nice work. I'm anxious to see you do something similar with the M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabbo Posted March 23, 2013 Author Share #10 Posted March 23, 2013 Behiri's video was nicely done, but a bit of a snoozer. Yours on the other hand did not put me to sleep. At all. Nice work. I'm anxious to see you do something similar with the M. Thank you kdriceman! I'm anxious to use an M...maybe by the end of the year at their current rate of deliveries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted April 10, 2013 Share #11 Posted April 10, 2013 Thorsten Overgaard concludes that the Leica M (Typ 240) video facility is of more interest to consumers than to professional filmmakers ... I think Thorsten got it totally wrong. In fact, due to lack of auto-focus, zoom lenses, and image stabilisation, the new M's video facility is virtually useless to most consumers. It's gonna be the pros (and semi-pros) who will put it to good use and create breath-taking results with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabbo Posted April 10, 2013 Author Share #12 Posted April 10, 2013 It's gonna be the pros (and semi-pros) who will put it to good use and create breath-taking results with it. no pressure! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted April 10, 2013 Share #13 Posted April 10, 2013 I think Thorsten got it totally wrong. In fact, due to lack of auto-focus, zoom lenses, and image stabilisation, the new M's video facility is virtually useless to most consumers. It's gonna be the pros (and semi-pros) who will put it to good use and create breath-taking results with it. How many pro film-makers use zooms and auto-focus do you think? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerren Posted April 10, 2013 Share #14 Posted April 10, 2013 Why not get a 5dIII and an L prime? I love my Leica gear but for what you are wanting to use the camera for, you may be better off sticking with the canon gear. I'm sure it'll be much more cost effective. Great work by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerren Posted April 10, 2013 Share #15 Posted April 10, 2013 How many pro film-makers use zooms and auto-focus do you think? Perhaps not autofocus but zooms, yes. And IS is a must from what I understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick De Marco Posted April 10, 2013 Share #16 Posted April 10, 2013 Welcome Mabbo Your video looks great and is a good example of how important good editing is - as is, from the opposite point of view, that rather dreary wedding dress film where the editing did not inspire. Do you use Final Cut? I'm looking for something simpler, that takes up less macpower.... I'm looking forward to the M for video too. I used to be a film maker, ultimately editor, many years ago. But got into photography instead because of all the money and time to make films. Photography is much easier as a hobby and for fun. I used to try and take a video camera out and a camera. But in the end you have to take one or the other. Even though I could get both on my 5D II I much prefer to travel with a Leica M than a dslr. With the new M I can have an exciting movie camera with me wherever I go in the world if I wake up and think, I want to shoot moving pictures today. Looking forward to see your work on the M Hello all! So I've been lurking this forum for a while now, ever since I picked up a M3 and got sucked in haha. Finally joined once the developments of the new M started to build up. I'm a videographer by trade so naturally the video capability really sparked my interest in the new camera. Even though the most recent reviews in regards to the M's video output are lackluster, I'm still looking forward be able to use Leica glass to shoot video Here's my most recent work (filmed & edited), where I would have much preferred to have used Leica primes at full aperture to achieve the look I was going for: Stranger In A House (Fashion Video) on Vimeo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted April 11, 2013 Share #17 Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Perhaps not autofocus but zooms, yes. And IS is a must from what I understand. I don't want this thread to get unnecessarily sidetracked by these issues, but apart from circumstances where a zoom is necessary for a particular shot, medium to high-end productions will almost invariably use cine primes: they're smaller, better, and usually sharper than equivalent zooms. Even focus pull is easier and generally more accurate on prime lenses, than zooms that can sometimes involve focus shift through the range. I'm not totally up-to-date with what's happening with cameras like the RED range these days, but up to two or three years ago at least (when I was last involved in these sorts of productions) in-camera stabilization was absolutely not a part of the equipment - not least because it would conflict with other stabilization techniques - such as steadicam and gyro systems - that already smooth hand-held shooting. There's a tendency on this forum for many people to sustain an illusion that the rest of the world is waiting with bated breath to see what Leica is doing in different fields, and that whatever they produce must be the very best in that field. In terms of video-production, I'm sure we're going to be seeing a lot of interesting 'art' productions on Vimeo, and the new M is gonna be great for photographers who also need some video for their clients, such as wedding pros and corporate interviews, and it will be a very useful addition for travel filming. But anyone who thinks that pro video-producers are gonna be all over the M-240 just don't have any grasp of what those people need and want from a camera system, nor what's available from other manufacturers. Even a much cheaper camera like the Blackmagic system offers way more to the economy end of video producers. And if anyone thinks that pulling focus on a Noctilux would be a videographer's dream, they ought to take a look at (for instance) what Zeiss are producing for the medium budget. Even attaching pull-focus gears to a Nocti isn't gonna help with the inherent inaccuracies of a taped-on distance scale. One last thing - Leica hasn't forgotten the cine market though: http://www.strayangel.com/la-rent/lens-sets/leica-summilux-c-lens-set.html Edited April 11, 2013 by plasticman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted April 12, 2013 Share #18 Posted April 12, 2013 Here's my most recent work (filmed & edited), where I would have much preferred to have used Leica primes at full aperture to achieve the look I was going for ... That could have been done with any decent video-cam, including those which already accept Leica lenses and any that do not. Sorry. No credits. And your lighting sucks. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mabbo Posted April 14, 2013 Author Share #19 Posted April 14, 2013 That could have been done with any decent video-cam, including those which already accept Leica lenses and any that do not. Sorry. No credits. And your lighting sucks.. Pico, Thank you for taking the time to comment. I just wanted to say: of course any decent video-cam or DSLR could have been used to shoot this, BUT I'm posting in the Welcome section of a Leica forum about how I'm pleased with the possibility of shooting video with the new Leica camera with my Leica glass...I think that's with-in reason? I know you're a veteran of this forum and have contributed much to it, but I just don't understand the tone behind your comment. In any case, no hard feelings I hope. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted April 14, 2013 Share #20 Posted April 14, 2013 Mabbo, Firstly, welcome to the forum! I liked your video very much and felt that Paradise Circus by Massive Attack made an excellent soundtrack that provided a modern, interesting and slightly quirky backdrop that suited the camera work well. I know little about video but a little about photography and I didn't think your lighting sucked; I felt it was a subtle style that complemented the subject well. I'd like to see a re-shoot or other similar work with a Leica 80mm f/1.4 Summilux-R, which I think would add to the ambience with the 'classic' look of the Mandler lens and provide additional separation. Pete. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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