marknorton Posted March 20, 2013 Share #1 Posted March 20, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Making the assumption Leica are interested in our informed feedback on how the M works, I am wondering whether there should be a thread which consolidates requests for change, reproducible bugs, performance issues and so on in one place, both firmware for possible change in the current camera and hardware for a follow-on camera. I accept this might be doomed to failure with people weighing in with their inexpert opinions born from what they've heard, misunderstood or failed to clarify by reading the manual or using the camera in anger. However, it might just be better than having useful information buried under the noise of internet chatter and lost. Do you think we could make it work or would it degenerate into snarly point-scoring? If we could eliminate the completely pointless +1 posts, the thanks mechanism could be used to gauge popularity. Am I being realistic or is the fab Melbourne weather and buzz getting to me? 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 Hi marknorton, Take a look here M Firmware/Hardware Improvements Thread. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
AlanJW Posted March 21, 2013 Share #2 Posted March 21, 2013 (edited) Making the assumption Leica are interested in our informed feedback on how the M works, I am wondering whether there should be a thread which consolidates requests for change, reproducible bugs, performance issues and so on in one place, both firmware for possible change in the current camera and hardware for a follow-on camera. I accept this might be doomed to failure with people weighing in with their inexpert opinions born from what they've heard, misunderstood or failed to clarify by reading the manual or using the camera in anger. However, it might just be better than having useful information buried under the noise of internet chatter and lost. Do you think we could make it work or would it degenerate into snarly point-scoring? If we could eliminate the completely pointless +1 posts, the thanks mechanism could be used to gauge popularity. Am I being realistic or is the fab Melbourne weather and buzz getting to me? I think some feedback to Leica is a good thing but I am not quite sure we can avoid the posts about what Leica should have done or should do on the next iteration (e.g., give us back the little window on top; take away the big window on the back; give me back 1/8000; put back the frameline window; put back the frameline lever, etc.), that have nothing to do with firmware. The only way this would work is if the moderators would be willing to censor to keep it on track. While I do not have mine yet, I already have a FW request: provide a way to disable and/or repurpose the "Movie" button. Edited March 21, 2013 by WeinschelA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted March 21, 2013 Share #3 Posted March 21, 2013 1. Change the ISO selection to the row and column screen like the M9, or at least change the color to white instead of red. 2. Allow the M button to be reassigned to other functions. Exposure compensation (in combination with the thumb wheel) or exposure lock would both be fantastic options. 3. Allow an option to "assign" Live View to only EVF (if attached) and playback to only the LCD, instead of the current system of whichever was used last. Too much button pushing now. 4. Fix the bug where the display goes crazy if jpeg sharpening is set to "High" 5. In "basic display" Live View mode add exposure information bar to the header. As it currently works exposure info is only available if the info button is pressed bringing up much more information (battery, histogram, lens, SD card) but substantially cluttering the display. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted March 21, 2013 Share #4 Posted March 21, 2013 6. Allow "Focus Aid - ON" to work even when an exposure is locked via a half press of the shutter (or other means). The camera is smart enough to tell when focus begins (it then zooms in) so it should be smart enough to tell when focus ends (after some time interval without change return to 1X view). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted March 21, 2013 Share #5 Posted March 21, 2013 In addition to what Stephen has mentioned: Improve lens correction for wide angle lenses (much left to be desired in some cases...) Make focus peaking customisable (eg, contrast sensitivity, line color and width) Make the level function useable ie, superimposed on the image in LV/EVF When the WATE is detected, ask the user to choose the focal length in use upon switching on the camera (see M8) I'm sure more will follow. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted March 21, 2013 Share #6 Posted March 21, 2013 Also, the ability to move the zoomed area around the frame in LV/focus peaking mode would be great - if the processor's power allows. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 21, 2013 Share #7 Posted March 21, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Making the assumption Leica are interested in our informed feedback on how the M works, I am wondering whether there should be a thread which consolidates requests for change, reproducible bugs, performance issues and so on in one place, both firmware for possible change in the current camera and hardware for a follow-on camera. I accept this might be doomed to failure with people weighing in with their inexpert opinions born from what they've heard, misunderstood or failed to clarify by reading the manual or using the camera in anger. However, it might just be better than having useful information buried under the noise of internet chatter and lost. Do you think we could make it work or would it degenerate into snarly point-scoring? If we could eliminate the completely pointless +1 posts, the thanks mechanism could be used to gauge popularity. Am I being realistic or is the fab Melbourne weather and buzz getting to me? I think it might work, if the mods delete irrelevant posts, chatter and Leica bashing, I will do so without warning.This thread will be for the purpose stated by Mark only. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted March 21, 2013 Share #8 Posted March 21, 2013 I am confident that the lens profiles for wides will improve + have hopes that the overwarm AWB will get sorted out too. My one current niggle is start-up time. If this could be improved with firmware I'd be happy. The other thing I fully agree on is for ISO to be given a white font - not red. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted March 21, 2013 Share #9 Posted March 21, 2013 I believe Leica has made the exposure compensation adjustment (hold front button down while at the same time turning thumb wheel) difficult to accidentally activate, but I wish this was an option. It's a stiff button, and not easy to adjust. Considering that the thumbwheel has no function without a button press (MENU, SET, FOCUS PEAKING HOLD, FOCUS PEAKING BRIEF PRESS) I think it could be better used for normal shooting. What I would like is a menu option for: Thumbwheel Normal State: Exp. Comp / ISO Adjust / None 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 21, 2013 Share #10 Posted March 21, 2013 I don't know if this irritating feature is only on the Olympus VF-2, which I am using or also applies to the Leica EVF-2. When you press the select VF button on the EVF when in live view, it correctly switches the view from the rear LCD to the EVF. It will also switch on LV on the EVF, if you are not in LV. However, when you press the button again, this switches live view off not returns it to the rear LCD, as it does on the Olympus cameras which it also fits. I know you can return the view to the rear LCD by pressing the LV button but to my way of thinking that does not make ergonomic sense. The rear LV button should be LV on/off and the button on the EVF, the select button. What do others think? As for various WB and red edge improvement, I am sure that is all in hand. I agree with Mark, if the movie button could be made programmable that would be a "wouldn't it be nice if" feature but is not something I am going to lose sleep over. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenPatterson Posted March 21, 2013 Share #11 Posted March 21, 2013 Wilson, I also found the LV and EVF buttons confusing. As things are now they both function as Live View on/off buttons, and you must press the opposite one to switch the view. I think what you have suggested is more intuitive, but I can live with the current system, even if I find it odd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted March 21, 2013 Share #12 Posted March 21, 2013 Some things I would like to see in a future M: Find somewhere else for the microphone and bring back the stepped top plate of the M9. Do some more homework on what to do with the space available where the frameline illumination window used to be,e.g., the domed red dot looks more appealing on the M9 Titanium which first introduced the electronically illuminated frame lines. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted March 21, 2013 Share #13 Posted March 21, 2013 File and folder numbering as a global setting At present you have to set it for each profile. Default profile to be DNG and ISO 200 .... or relegated to a menu setting like the M9 'snapshot' ..... if you accidentally end up in the default you are rather bizarrely in JPG and iso 800..... WB issues dealt with ASAP (it is not confined to Auto ..... Daylight is also too warm). If there is to be an ISO button it should bring up a pick list as on the M9, otherwise it is completely redundant.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_S Posted March 21, 2013 Share #14 Posted March 21, 2013 Here is another: a modified baseplate or grip that allows a remote battery option for sub-zero temperatures via a plug-in umbilical cord which holds the actual battery in a coat pocket. Nick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted March 21, 2013 Share #15 Posted March 21, 2013 Reduce/eliminate delay when waking the camera. See http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/277048-m240-sd-cards-associated-camera-function.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 21, 2013 Share #16 Posted March 21, 2013 Here is another: a modified baseplate or grip that allows a remote battery option for sub-zero temperatures via a plug-in umbilical cord which holds the actual battery in a coat pocket. Nick The multifunction grip does incorporate a power input socket designed for tethered use. At the moment all that is on offer is a £199/$300 power supply for this (yes really for a $25 stabilised PS). However it would not be a big jump for that to be replaced by an external battery for arctic climes. At the moment we don't know if the power supply is single voltage or multiple voltage supply. We will have to wait until the MF grip comes out. I doubt if it will be anything as simple as a 5.5mm low voltage coax connector. Wilson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted March 21, 2013 Share #17 Posted March 21, 2013 --- Wireless connectivity, and support for wireless tethering. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 21, 2013 Share #18 Posted March 21, 2013 Here is another: a modified baseplate or grip that allows a remote battery option for sub-zero temperatures via a plug-in umbilical cord which holds the actual battery in a coat pocket. Nick Nick, I don't think the spec is out yet for the tethered/MF grip power supply but it is possible that it will have a 12V input like the M battery charger does. You could then carry a small sealed 12V lithium racing motorcycle battery, like I have in my Yamaha Raptor 700R ATV/Quad. These are about 1/3rd the weight of a lead acid battery and work better in extreme cold as well (apparently but not tested this feature in the South of France). Unlike the lead acid batteries I used to use, they also hold their charge extremely well. I will leave it in October each year, come back the next May and it starts a high compression single cylinder 700cc engine at the first touch. If I did not leave the lead acid batteries on trickle charge over the winter (with some fire risk in an unattended house), they were always irretrievably dead the next spring. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest roey Posted March 28, 2013 Share #19 Posted March 28, 2013 Make auto ISO work with manual shutter speed. This works on the M9. I use it a lot when photographing sports. See also http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/277922-leica-m240-auto-iso.html 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted March 28, 2013 Share #20 Posted March 28, 2013 Make auto ISO work with manual shutter speed. This works on the M9. I use it a lot when photographing sports. See also http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m9-forum/277922-leica-m240-auto-iso.html Please, Leica, no! Do not patronise the ones, who want to underexpose a picture by choosing a certain manual speed. Elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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