earleygallery Posted March 5, 2013 Share #21 Posted March 5, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Rule No1. If you find a camera or lens you gel with, never ever part with it! Very nice work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 5, 2013 Posted March 5, 2013 Hi earleygallery, Take a look here My New Noctilux f0.95, to keep or not to keep. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sandro Posted March 5, 2013 Share #22 Posted March 5, 2013 No doubt that you should keep the lens, and continue taking such amazing pictures! You seem to master this apparently difficult to use lens very fast and your results are excellent! Thanks for sharing. Lex Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tanks Posted March 6, 2013 Share #23 Posted March 6, 2013 Darn, people keep this up and I will be a lot poorer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted March 6, 2013 Share #24 Posted March 6, 2013 Darn, people keep this up and I will be a lot poorer. Richer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmldds Posted March 6, 2013 Share #25 Posted March 6, 2013 Saad, Fantastic photos with the lens. I am considering buying a Nocti but still have not decided on the "old" or the "new." If you don't mind me asking, which one would you keep if you were just to have one, and why? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted March 7, 2013 Share #26 Posted March 7, 2013 Hi Tri, I had the same consideration a while ago. My solution was to look at as many images from both lenses to see which I preferred. It was a pretty easy decision after that - I found the f/1 "swirly bokeh" was very off-putting, whereas the more modern look of the f/0.95 was more to my taste. Also, I intended (and do) use the f/0.95 at all apertures, whereas the f/1 is reported to have focus shift which means that it's pretty much a one trick pony at f 1. I guess the real test is if you prefer a Mandler look, or a Karbe design (though the Leica Pocket Book - Bower & Clark - comment that the treatment of out of focus areas from the f/1 version is largely retained in the Karbe version). Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmldds Posted March 7, 2013 Share #27 Posted March 7, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) John, Thank you for your valuable opinion. I have been looking at photos after photos and still, not quite sure. There is certain psychedelic quality to the OOF area with the Mandler's design that is so unique and Van-Goghish that is quite intriguing and attractive to me. However, the possible shift in focus at other apertures will be a huge concern! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldhrads Posted March 7, 2013 Share #28 Posted March 7, 2013 Tri, Here's my take on it, having looked at your work over the last several years I think the newer 0.95 would be more suitable for your style. I went from an old Canon 0.95 to the new Nocti and while I loved the Canon, the new Nocti is amazing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo101 Posted March 7, 2013 Share #29 Posted March 7, 2013 Keep Nocti. Nice pics. b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saad Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share #30 Posted March 7, 2013 Dear Tri , You are asking THE $11,000 question. I am assuming that the lenses will be used on the M240 so the focus shift is not that important when using the EVF. Also that this is a night lens. The issue of size and weight is not going to be discussed because neither I nor anyone else found it to be a deal breaker. Price is significant in that it makes using the lens that much more pleasurable and exciting. All my opinions are based on using the lens with the Sony NEX 6. I would without hesitation choose the new f0.95. What I really don’t like about it is the OOF color fringing which is more than the old but can be corrected in post with some hassel. But that is it. The arguments about bokeh are valid in that the old, (and here I am comparing V2 of the Mandler design) bokeh is more attractive but there is nothing wrong with the bokeh of the f0.95. The old version seems to frame the OOF objects more visibly than the new, which is very smooth. I will demonstrate this with some pictures. The color of the new has more tint and the old more green, I prefer the new. This of course is of little significant. At the closest focusing distance the new is very much sharper and this is very important to me. At infinity and from aperture f2 both lenses are similar in the center but as you move towards the edges the new is much superior. The extent that this is due to curvature of field is not clear to me, just that more areas are sharper towards the edge with the new. Of extreme significance is that the new is much much better corrected for night photography in so far as the way it renders bright points of light. I will demonstrate this with some photos. This is very important to me. Regarding the philosophy of rendition and Van Ghoghism, I think it is just a philosophy or a point of view. To take a picture with the new means that you have a sharp image with a very deep and smooth OOF background and foreground and that is attractive and it is advanced optics. The old will give you a lower resolution lower contrast image with beautiful bokeh in the foreground and background. You can add contrast but there is not much you can do about sharpness. I prefer the new if my objective is a much more definitive separation between the target and the its surroundings Focusing with the M 240 plus EVF will be more difficult with the old and will take more time to get it right to to its lower contrast and definition. That is for sure. The new also has a much better focusing ring and mechanism. The old tends to stick when making small focus adjustments, if you want it not to stick it needs heavier grease which will make the focusing more resistant. If we cut through the enormous depth of the bokeh and arrive at a clear point of focus and realism, then there will be little doubt that the new is the one to choose and the old will just evoke nostalgia, and that has its own dedicated followers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saad Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share #31 Posted March 7, 2013 Some examples of Bokeh between the Old and the New and from top to bottom Noctilux f1 @f1 Noctilux f0.95 @f0.95 Noctilux f1 @f1.4 Noctilux f0.95 @f1.4 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/199756-my-new-noctilux-f095-to-keep-or-not-to-keep/?do=findComment&comment=2263841'>More sharing options...
Saad Posted March 7, 2013 Author Share #32 Posted March 7, 2013 The first 2 are to demonstrate the points of light as seen at the top right and also the Bokeh to some extent. the 3rd & 4th only to demonstrate the rendition of the points of light. The evening was hazy so it is difficult to gauge other aspects of IQ, except that the f0.95 is noticeably sharper and higher contrast. Images from top to bottom: Noctilux f1 @f1 Focus was on the cranes at the top of the building Noctilux f0.95 @f0.95 Noctilux f1 @f1 Focus was on the corner of the building right in the center. Noctilux f0.95 @f0.95 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/199756-my-new-noctilux-f095-to-keep-or-not-to-keep/?do=findComment&comment=2263852'>More sharing options...
tmldds Posted March 7, 2013 Share #33 Posted March 7, 2013 Lawrence, I appreciate your input very much. Saad, I thank you so much for taking the time and effort to help me make a proper and informed decision. Your photos illustrated your analysis beautifully. I wish my pocket were so deep that I could afford to have both, the cost difference will have to come into play as well. Still lenses such as these hold value better my money in the bank. At least that is what I plan on telling my better half! I will have to make a decision soon, buy the lens and start shooting with it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydkugelmass Posted March 8, 2013 Share #34 Posted March 8, 2013 Saad, great pics. Keep the 0,95. Best regards. M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptZoom Posted March 10, 2013 Share #35 Posted March 10, 2013 Rule No1. If you find a camera or lens you gel with, never ever part with it! Very nice work. My one and only regret in selling gear is my Leica Digilux-3. It's been about three years and I still regret selling it. It was sold to fund a prominent Canon product (which I never gelled with). It seems the Noctilux and you've made good friends already. Don't say goodbye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted March 11, 2013 Share #36 Posted March 11, 2013 Very nice images in this thread, Saad. As much as I love my 35 and 50 Summilux Asphs, I actually find the bokeh nicer in the images of the f1 version above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peter_n Posted March 11, 2013 Share #37 Posted March 11, 2013 Yes Saad, terrific pix and I'm sure you'll be keeping the lens after all the encouragement! Tri, I have an E58 Noctilux f1 and a 50 Summilux ASPH and I haven't bought the f0.95 Noctilux as I'm just very fond of my f1 and the 50 ASPH does give me a different look. Also over a number of pictures I see similarity between the f0.95 Noctilux and the 50 Summilux ASPH at f1.4. Not sure what other 50mm lenses you might have (I have a few) but owning a 50 Summilux ASPH has kept me from getting the new Noctilux. I use both my Noctilux and 50 Summilux ASPH on a Sony NEX-7 and to be honest I prefer my new Zeiss 50mm/f1.5 C-Sonnar to both of them on that body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmldds Posted March 11, 2013 Share #38 Posted March 11, 2013 Yes Saad, terrific pix and I'm sure you'll be keeping the lens after all the encouragement! Tri, I have an E58 Noctilux f1 and a 50 Summilux ASPH and I haven't bought the f0.95 Noctilux as I'm just very fond of my f1 and the 50 ASPH does give me a different look. Also over a number of pictures I see similarity between the f0.95 Noctilux and the 50 Summilux ASPH at f1.4. Not sure what other 50mm lenses you might have (I have a few) but owning a 50 Summilux ASPH has kept me from getting the new Noctilux. I use both my Noctilux and 50 Summilux ASPH on a Sony NEX-7 and to be honest I prefer my new Zeiss 50mm/f1.5 C-Sonnar to both of them on that body. Thank you Peter for your input. I primarily use my 50 'Lux asph on my MM and really love it. Most likely, I will buy an f/1, 1st or 3rd gen. instead of the f/.95 primarily because of cost but also because the fact I do enjoy the "imperfections" in the photos taken with the older Nocti. Tri Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saad Posted March 11, 2013 Author Share #39 Posted March 11, 2013 I thank you all for your kind compliments. Given everyones valuable and positive comments, I am left with no other choice but to keep the lens. Just paid my Amex bill for $11,239, that did not feel too good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted March 11, 2013 Share #40 Posted March 11, 2013 Saad, The money will be quickly forgotten. The pictures will be treasured for a long time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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