nicks500 Posted February 20, 2013 Share #1 Posted February 20, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Due to the long delay of the M240 I am thinking about getting a MM. This will be my first Leica and I have already ordered and received (although not picked up) a new Noctilux. My questions are do I need ND filters for bright days when using at f/.95 (does the very high iso reduce the need for it)? and Do I need to carry around a load of coloured filters or can I do most of the work in post prod? (silver efex pro etc). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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macjonny1 Posted February 20, 2013 Share #2 Posted February 20, 2013 HiDue to the long delay of the M240 I am thinking about getting a MM. This will be my first Leica and I have already ordered and received (although not picked up) a new Noctilux. My questions are do I need ND filters for bright days when using at f/.95 (does the very high iso reduce the need for it)? and Do I need to carry around a load of coloured filters or can I do most of the work in post prod? (silver efex pro etc). Hmmmm..high lSO makes it worse! You will need at least a 3 stop ND filter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo101 Posted February 20, 2013 Share #3 Posted February 20, 2013 I advise you to buy a filter ND8 (3 stops at least), so you can use your NOCTILUX wide open. I suggest you also take the color filters, because MM does not produce the RGB channels. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicks500 Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share #4 Posted February 20, 2013 I advise you to buy a filter ND8 (3 stops at least), so you can use your NOCTILUX wide open. I suggest you also take the color filters, because MM does not produce the RGB channels. check on the ND8. I understand the use of RGB channels and the ability to adjust them individually in a colour to b&w converted image but I just cant picture in my head what it is like on a MM image Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted February 20, 2013 Share #5 Posted February 20, 2013 HiDue to the long delay of the M240 I am thinking about getting a MM. This will be my first Leica and I have already ordered and received (although not picked up) a new Noctilux. My questions are do I need ND filters for bright days when using at f/.95 (does the very high iso reduce the need for it)? and Do I need to carry around a load of coloured filters or can I do most of the work in post prod? (silver efex pro etc). Sorry, but it is saddens me; that you have to ask these questions. Such exquisite top of the line equipment without having served time and gained B&W film camera experience. But this may just be the way of the world these days If you were brought up on DSLRs. So congratulations on the camera and lens - you have no excuses now and must some get superb images You cannot do the ND or color separation effects in post. B&W contrast filters really help differentiate between tones in situations where form alone does not make the image. Yellow,green and orange filters will give you a good selection.. A 3 stop ND filter is just adequate on the M9 - but the MM is a stop faster so a 6 stop may be better. Stacking filters is normally frowned upon due to extra reflections, but the 3stop ND and one of the color filters will sometimes be the best option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted February 20, 2013 Share #6 Posted February 20, 2013 check on the ND8. I understand the use of RGB channels and the ability to adjust them individually in a colour to b&w converted image but I just cant picture in my head what it is like on a MM image Honestly I'd do a bit more research before dropping $19k on this setup! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted February 20, 2013 Share #7 Posted February 20, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) If your first choice is a M, why get a dedicated monochrome camera? Wouldn't a ME fill the gap better and save you some money? Unless you are well experienced in b&w photography and have the means to make large prints(over A3+) don't know what a MM will do for you what a ME will do equally well, and give you the option of colour. Just a thought. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicks500 Posted February 20, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted February 20, 2013 Thanks for all the posts.... I am a lazy typist and didnt give you any background info to my decision. I am/was a dslr person and for my semi-pro work I am forced;) to use a dslr. A lot of my personal work I then convert to b&w(with lots of lovely rgb channels to play with). I am just in love with the tones from the MM and not in love with the delays of the 240:rolleyes: Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 20, 2013 Share #9 Posted February 20, 2013 Anyway you do not need to carry a load of filters. Depending on the general subject you will need none or a middle yellow. yellow or an orange. I use yellow rarely. Simplified : Sun or skintones: orange, all else none. Unless you are a tonal range buff, of course. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbuckley Posted February 20, 2013 Share #10 Posted February 20, 2013 In answer specifically to your question about the Noctilux and the need for an ND filter, the answer is absolutely. The reason to have a Noctilux is to shoot it wide open, and even at base ISO of 320 on a sunny day, an ND filter is necessary. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjames9142 Posted February 20, 2013 Share #11 Posted February 20, 2013 Noctilux is, roughly, latin for night light. It seems weird to go to all that expense if you want to shoot wide open in bright light all the time, unless you are mainly interested in how out-of-focus backgrounds look. The lens was really meant for low-light photography. I have also found that the MM works fine without filters -- unless you are after special-effects effects. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryankarr Posted February 20, 2013 Share #12 Posted February 20, 2013 The MM also has very poor highlight recovery, making ND's even more important than on an M9. If something is blown out in the histogram, the data is just gone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 20, 2013 Share #13 Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) That is what I thought initially as well. Lately I have come to the insight that if you have to recover a highlight you have blown the exposure. In other words a kludge to cover an error. The Monochrom does not allow it. Having said that, I have had far less trouble with blown highlights on the MM than expected. Edited February 20, 2013 by jaapv Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jager Posted February 21, 2013 Share #14 Posted February 21, 2013 I'll just add that the MM and Noctilux together make a very special package. Welcome to Leica. You have chosen well! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charles-k Posted February 21, 2013 Share #15 Posted February 21, 2013 The M-M combined with the Nocti f/0.95 would an amazing setup! It is a specialist setup, but if you enjoy 50FL it is great! I have the older brother f/1.0, and it makes for a wonderful combination, particularly for portrait shoots. I do prefer the Mandler look, but again it depends on the perspective you wish to portray. Here is a recent wedding shoot, link to shots with the M-M with 50 Nocti f/1.0 Charles Kalnins Photography | Shaun and Hayley's Wedding 22 September 2012 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macjonny1 Posted February 21, 2013 Share #16 Posted February 21, 2013 The M-M combined with the Nocti f/0.95 would an amazing setup! It is a specialist setup' date=' but if you enjoy 50FL it is great! I have the older brother f/1.0, and it makes for a wonderful combination, particularly for portrait shoots. I do prefer the Mandler look, but again it depends on the perspective you wish to portray. Here is a recent wedding shoot, link to shots with the M-M with 50 Nocti f/1.0 Charles Kalnins Photography | Shaun and Hayley's Wedding 22 September 2012 50mm APO summicron plus 50mm noct f/1 for not much more than the 50mm f/.95!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted February 21, 2013 Share #17 Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) After much agonizing and shooting I opted for a single coated Heliopan 4 stop (1.2) ND filter over a B+W 3 stop (.9) ND multicoated for the M9/Noctilux use outdoors. The extra stop helps with the occasional bright scene such as snow/beach or shooting into the sun. The MM should be okay with 4 stops ND but 5-6 stops would give more versatility and allow you to shoot at 1/500 or 1/1000 sec or stop down the lens without having to remove the filter. Tonal control with colored filters and simultaneously shooting wide open on sunny days makes the use of two filters necessary. If you use high quality filters there might be slight degradation of image quality (with stacked filters) but if you're shooting the Noctilux at f0.95 the image is already dreamy and the lower image quality might not be a big issue. Stacking filters will also lower your exposure and a ND of lower value might then be necessary. Good luck. Edited February 21, 2013 by darylgo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted February 21, 2013 Share #18 Posted February 21, 2013 Wow. And I thought I jumped into Leica not knowing much! I use orange routinely with my MM-any lens. Yes, of course ND. E60 inventory--red090, orange040, yellow022, ND0.9, ND0.3, ND0.6, ND1.8, ND3.0. Also use the same ones for my APO50 E39. Why have a zillion dollar lens and then be over 1/4000 for that once in a lifetime shot. Welcome to Leica. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brusby Posted February 21, 2013 Share #19 Posted February 21, 2013 Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I never liked the look of any photo I've seen made with a Noctilux shot wide open in very bright daylight conditions. Just seems too unnatural and artificial. OTOH, I love Noctilux shots in low light. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicks500 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share #20 Posted February 21, 2013 its ok I have seen the light I am not getting a Noctilux with my MM but a 50mm and 35mm Lux. Hopefully there will be a less steep learning curve using these two lenses as I am looking forward to a long learning curve with the MM itself Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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