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Hi. Got the same bug in my bonnet when traveling in Europe two years ago and requested a hand check as used to do with film. Was more trouble than it was worth as they manhandled the equipment and caused more problems than the x-ray machine could.

 

At same time I went through a professional and assistant with three large suitcases of camera equipment went through the x-ray machines with no care. I asked him and he said he never had a problem. Since then neither have I.

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I guess I'm in real trouble then if this radiation thing is an issue. I've been carrying a digital camera with me on every trip I take for the last two years. I work a 7 days on 7 days off flying schedule as a Gulfstream pilot. My company pays for an airline ticket to get me to the Gulfstream they want me to fly. I've flown from my home in western North Carolina all the way to Beijing to start my work week.

 

I carry a STM Messenger bag and a 22" Travel Pro Crew 7 Rollerboard.

 

When traveling to work via the airlines, I can fit my Leica M-E with Leica 50mm Summilux in the STM Messenger bag next to my Bose headphones. I also carry the following items in the messenger bag:

 

  • 15" MacBook Pro
  • iPad 2 (company provided for our in-flight Electronic Flight Bag" - no paper charts)
  • Two portable drives for backup (see note below)
  • Accessories (pens, keys, cables, international plugs, passport, currency)

 

I pack my Bare Bones Bag in my 22" Travel Pro which has an extra lens and my camera accessories. Since I have status with the two airlines that I fly out of my home town and since I travel in uniform I can gate check or carry on that bag and not worry about it going to never never land. (Normally limited to two carry on bags)

 

Oh yea, in my 22" suitcase I have enough clothes to cover any climate as I can be in the islands in the morning in January and in Aspen, Colorado that evening.

 

When I get to the Gulfstream I'm going to fly I remove the BBB and then carry the three bags separately.

 

So you can imagine how much radiation I'm seeing while not only flying on the airlines but fly a Gulfstream with a ceiling altitude of 51,000' and a range of 6,500 statute miles.

 

This is the first I've heard of radiation issues affecting digital sensors. If that's the case what is it doing to me? I've been flying for over 30 years!!! Fortunately I still don't need a prescription for Viagra yet!!!

 

Note: My MacBook Pro is 6 years old and I've recently upgraded the main drive to a 128 gig SSD and removed the DVD and replaced it with a 750 gig 7200 rpm drive that houses my Lightroom photos. I use a 160 gig portable drive to clone the SSD drive and another 750 gig drive to clone my LR photos drive)

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This is the first I've heard of radiation issues affecting digital sensors. If that's the case what is it doing to me?

 

Increased risk of skin cancer on exposed skin surfaces, hence mostly the face, and increased risk of early cataracts which is considerably lessened by sunglasses and most pilots wear good sunglasses.

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Duane,

 

The risk of dead pixels caused by cosmic rays not a rumor. I am a cinematographer and My colleagues and I have to fly video cameras occasionally. After many trips, we have had to map out dead pixels that occurred after the flight.

 

My Panasonic service manager told me that new chips are delivered from Japan per boat for this reason. I wouldn't worry too much about it since there is nothing you can do about it anyway, but I'm just telling you that I am much more hesitant to ship my video cameras, which are worth much more than my Leica, on a plane.

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I guess I'm in real trouble then if this radiation thing is an issue. I've been carrying a digital camera with me on every trip I take for the last two years. I work a 7 days on 7 days off flying schedule as a Gulfstream pilot. My company pays for an airline ticket to get me to the Gulfstream they want me to fly. I've flown from my home in western North Carolina all the way to Beijing to start my work week.

 

I carry a STM Messenger bag and a 22" Travel Pro Crew 7 Rollerboard.

 

When traveling to work via the airlines, I can fit my Leica M-E with Leica 50mm Summilux in the STM Messenger bag next to my Bose headphones. I also carry the following items in the messenger bag:

 

  • 15" MacBook Pro
  • iPad 2 (company provided for our in-flight Electronic Flight Bag" - no paper charts)
  • Two portable drives for backup (see note below)
  • Accessories (pens, keys, cables, international plugs, passport, currency)

 

I pack my Bare Bones Bag in my 22" Travel Pro which has an extra lens and my camera accessories. Since I have status with the two airlines that I fly out of my home town and since I travel in uniform I can gate check or carry on that bag and not worry about it going to never never land. (Normally limited to two carry on bags)

 

Oh yea, in my 22" suitcase I have enough clothes to cover any climate as I can be in the islands in the morning in January and in Aspen, Colorado that evening.

 

When I get to the Gulfstream I'm going to fly I remove the BBB and then carry the three bags separately.

 

So you can imagine how much radiation I'm seeing while not only flying on the airlines but fly a Gulfstream with a ceiling altitude of 51,000' and a range of 6,500 statute miles.

 

This is the first I've heard of radiation issues affecting digital sensors. If that's the case what is it doing to me? I've been flying for over 30 years!!! Fortunately I still don't need a prescription for Viagra yet!!!

 

Note: My MacBook Pro is 6 years old and I've recently upgraded the main drive to a 128 gig SSD and removed the DVD and replaced it with a 750 gig 7200 rpm drive that houses my Lightroom photos. I use a 160 gig portable drive to clone the SSD drive and another 750 gig drive to clone my LR photos drive)

There are indeed reports of increased risk of Myeloma for airline personnel on transpolar flights, but other articles did not find a higher incidence, so it is by no means conclusive.

Radon emissions from some building materials are more dangerous. You are more robust than your camera.

As for digital sensors it is well established that dead pixels are often caused by Neutron strikes from cosmic radiation. There is nothing to be done about this except by target reduction. On airplanes carry a camera in a vertical position and store cameras standing up. That is the reason behind the warning in the Leica digital camera manuals that flying may damage your camera. Imo it is not a reason to go paranoid, we cannot go through life trying to run 0% risk to our Leicas.

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As for digital sensors it is well established that dead pixels are often caused by Neutrino strikes from cosmic radiation.

Neutrinos? If that were the case, neutrinos would be much easier to detect. Neutrinos pass through solid matter with very little interaction. I suppose you mean neutrons.

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Neutrinos? If that were the case, neutrinos would be much easier to detect. Neutrinos pass through solid matter with very little interaction. I suppose you mean neutrons.

Can they pass through my new carbon chrome left knee? I have actually not flown since my left knee was replaced in November. I am sure I will need some proof that I am not hiding something in there lika an uncoded lens.....:D

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Neutrinos? If that were the case, neutrinos would be much easier to detect. Neutrinos pass through solid matter with very little interaction. I suppose you mean neutrons.

 

A translation issue, I'm sure. :) If neutrinos were harmful we wouldn't be here. They saturate every square millimeter of the earth, passing right through in most cases. Astounding when we imagine them.

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Hi. Got the same bug in my bonnet when traveling in Europe two years ago and requested a hand check as used to do with film. Was more trouble than it was worth as they manhandled the equipment and caused more problems than the x-ray machine could..

 

Yep, important aspect!

 

About 10 years ago, I took my then pretty new Minolta Dimage 7 (price was about €2000,- when it was new) to the States where it was glumpsily fondled by a big security guy.

"Hey, that's a nice camera", he said. And I went like, "yeah, so please don't break it".

He obviously did not know what he was doing. Pretty bad feeling.

 

Another time I just had my tiny Pentax Optio S with me and the security lady tried to look to the viewfinder, but the wrong way around, from the front of the cam. :D

 

During a handcheck make sure you see what they are doing.

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We have a church member who flies as a private pilot for corporate jets that fly all over the US and Central America, Caribbean, and a few trips to Europe. He takes his Canon on every one. He has no security issues either being the pilot. He has a backpack that is as big as I.

 

When on layover, he uses the camera to do local sites.

 

Now houd u lik a cream puff job like that ? Money is good too.

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There are indeed reports of increased risk of Myeloma for airline personnel on transpolar flights, but other articles did not find a higher incidence, so it is by no means conclusive.

Radon emissions from some building materials are more dangerous. You are more robust than your camera.

 

Myeloma and breast ca , although observed in increased frequency, are indeed, not conclusively shown to be high altitude flying associated risks. Basal and Squamous cell ca of the face, in particular, are increased in pilots. No adequate controls to rule out increased UV exposure from geographical destinations have been published, that I am aware of.

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