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Hi All,

 

Got a question. About an year ago I bought a 28/F2.8. With proper light, this is an AWESOME lens. Nevertheless, to this date, I still can't use it correctly.

 

What I mean is the image you see in the range finder never really match the final picture you take. Even though the framelines are there, the edge of the picture gets distorted somewhat due to the nature of being a 28. The final image always comes out either 1. a bit more "spacious" than what I originally thought, or 2. people's faces stretched.

 

This is bothering me so much that I am considering getting an external viewfinder attachment for my M9 (which I absolutely abhor), or even going back to the 35. However, some of happy accidents came out to be so brilliant that I really don't want to give it up.

 

Anyone else has the same problem and how did you overcome it? Is there a way to train your eyes to see in a 28 perspective?

 

Frank

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IMHO, it is not the best lens to use when shooting people's faces, up close. It is gorgeous for landscapes or zone focusing for candid/street photography.

 

I mess up too from time to time, but I got so I do not have to use a VF. Just think how the lens will work on the new M!

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assuming you're using the M9. the frame line is optimized at 1 meter. Meaning if you focuses at 1m, your image will be exactly like what you see in the frame line. closer than 1m, it shrinks to slightly within the frame line, longer than 1m-infinity, it stretches outward outside the frame line. About the stretched faces, that will have to do with distortion and perspective associated with that focal length.

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This is exactly why I'm very happy with the view finder frames in the M8u, they are set to match perfectly at 2meters, that is much more usable for my type of photography with a range finder camera. I just can't understand Leicas reasoning for not implementing that on the M9 versions, interesting to see how the M will be set up...

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This is exactly why I'm very happy with the view finder frames in the M8u, they are set to match perfectly at 2meters, that is much more usable for my type of photography with a range finder camera. I just can't understand Leicas reasoning for not implementing that on the M9 versions, interesting to see how the M will be set up...

 

I think someone around the announcement at Photokina said it would be 2m, like on the M8, and M9 Titanium, if I´m not mistaken. This could also be my memory tossing things around, as there indeed were an unhealthy amount of chatter around the M240 features both in here and in other fora. :D

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Frank, when you mentioned that people's faces are stretched, are you referring to people with horizontal stretching at the left and right sides of the image? If so, that is common with any lens much wider than 35mm. I just try to avoid having faces on the sides of the frame at medium to close distances. When I am included in group snapshots, I always avoid the edges of the group, as my face is wide enough as-is. ;-)

As far as frame line accuracy: Consider the viewfinder's frame lines as an estimate of the image captured. With practice, you'll get good at knowing the framing traits of each focal length in regards to the frame line estimate. Chimping is not a sin. Best wishes.

 

Larry

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Anyone else has the same problem and how did you overcome it? Is there a way to train your eyes to see in a 28 perspective?

 

Experience, use it, the same thing apply's with any lens.

 

But your dilemma is a basic fundamental rule of photography, lenses have their own characteristic's and over the years simple universal laws have been written. Of course some of the best photography is when the photographer understands the rules and knows how to break them, but because of things like distortion wide lenses are used for landscape, medium telephoto for portraits, and long telephoto for things you can't drive to.

 

Using an accessory finder will not give any better view than through the viewfinder of the camera, neither are made ('calibrated' if you like) to mimic the distortion of a particular 28mm lens, so you will learn nothing by using one. Your best bet is to take only the 28mm lens out for a day and use it. See what it does for landscape, see what it does for street pictures. And as it is people pictures that seem to be the problem look at other photographers who's unofficial trademark is using a 28mm on their Leica.

 

Start with Henry Wessel for people and urban landscape

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=henry+wessel+photography&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=m_cZUamFH-mp0AX_iICAAw&ved=0CC0QsAQ&biw=2048&bih=985

 

and Garry Winogrand for people and use of perspective and angle

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=garry+winogrand&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=dfgZUfKfI-SU0QXr5YDwAg&sqi=2&ved=0CJABEIke&biw=2048&bih=985

 

 

Steve

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I have a 28 summicron and nothing else. It´s marvellous! I´ve used that lens and my M9 for practically all of my photography since I got it in october, and will continue to do so until temptation to get a 50 or 90mm becomes too strong.

 

I was used to "seeing in wide angle", as I used a 24mm on my full frame Canon before this, and that has helped a bit, but 2.5-3k photos with the 28mm later, I can almost say I´m proficient at guesstimating the field of view before the viewfinder meets the eye.

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The wider you go, the more distortion is built into the image. Actually it is a whole lot like maps where it is fairly simple to take a small area of a globe and put it on a plane.

When you try to image the entire hemisphere of a globe on flat surface, there is hugh distortion.

 

Look up the many different kinds of projections there are. Some end up like ellipses. Some end up looking like banana peels, mercator.

 

Same problem when you try a panorama by swinging the lens with a swing lens camera or rotating over a fixed point. The big cigar shape emerges. If you do a pano with a shift lens, the whole problem goes away.

 

If we could image on the inside of a sphere rather than on a flat plane, the whole issue would also go away.

 

In the mean time, do not put faces or circles in the corners and learn the true boundaries of the image with frame you have or resort to a slr. Mind you the circles in the corners will still be there.

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The wider you go, the more distortion is built into the image. Actually it is a whole lot like maps where it is fairly simple to take a small area of a globe and put it on a plane.

When you try to image the entire hemisphere of a globe on flat surface, there is hugh distortion.

 

Look up the many different kinds of projections there are. Some end up like ellipses. Some end up looking like banana peels, mercator.

 

Same problem when you try a panorama by swinging the lens with a swing lens camera or rotating over a fixed point. The big cigar shape emerges. If you do a pano with a shift lens, the whole problem goes away.

 

If we could image on the inside of a sphere rather than on a flat plane, the whole issue would also go away.

 

In the mean time, do not put faces or circles in the corners and learn the true boundaries of the image with frame you have or resort to a slr. Mind you the circles in the corners will still be there.

 

Just thought this was so good it could be posted twice!

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I love how the 28mm lens pretty much uses up all of the VF space- as if it's the true prime lens for the camera. It is hard to get used to the changes in perspective- but 28mm is also so sharp, large DOF, when it is good it is great- for landscape I really love it- for perspective it is important to try and keep the camera level in most situations (I think). And whilst the focal length does un-naturally distort subjects- for instance these three lovely ladies look quite odd indeed- with enlarged noses, humped backs, etc- I still think the image can be interesting and it is good to be able to get in more of the background- not sure if my subjects agree: well that's just too bad if you go parading around like that on the beach:

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