MarkP Posted January 22, 2013 Share #101 Posted January 22, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) but the retailer Foto Palme, Germany then cancelled my order on the grounds that I live in Greece!!! "... ?: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted January 22, 2013 Author Share #102 Posted January 22, 2013 Well I tried to order Heliopan Yellow-Green and Green 39mm filters through Amazon.de, but the retailer Foto Palme, Germany then cancelled my order on the grounds that I live in Greece!!! "...Unfortunately, it is not possible to block Greece as a delivery address, so you still were able to order the goods". Now I am trying to locate another supplier which can supply these filters by Heliopan or B+W. Nick Foto Huppert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted January 22, 2013 Share #103 Posted January 22, 2013 Teamwork in London stock a wide range of Heliopan filters and, I think, also sell them via an eBay 'shop'. They are a reputable outfit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickp13 Posted January 22, 2013 Share #104 Posted January 22, 2013 if B & W carries the filters you need, you could try foto huppert online mail order. they've always provided good service. here's the link: Foto Huppert - Spezial- und Infrarot- Filter if you get totally stuck, have foto palme send them to me (hamburg). i'll forward them on to you. cheers rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted January 22, 2013 Share #105 Posted January 22, 2013 As a long term user of filters for b&w I first thought the observations here applied to the MM were the same complaints film users have had for fifty years - misunderstandings and misapplication. Nothing posted here has changed that opinion. To make significant differences color contrast filters must have a susceptible subject. An overcast sky will not darken with a red filter because the sky has no blue - just one example. I could go on with more examples but it is tedious. For example, when shooting under a canopy jungle what filter would one use? BLUE! Who uses a blue filter but a few of us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted January 23, 2013 Share #106 Posted January 23, 2013 Well I tried to order Heliopan Yellow-Green and Green 39mm filters through Amazon.de, but the retailer Foto Palme, Germany then cancelled my order on the grounds that I live in Greece!!! "...Unfortunately, it is not possible to block Greece as a delivery address, so you still were able to order the goods". Now I am trying to locate another supplier which can supply these filters by Heliopan or B+W. Nick Wow … just wow. Call me over reacting, but I won't bring any business to Photo Palme. I have been suffering such strange behaviour from service and product suppliers during my prolonged stay in China. Such companies are not worth dealing with and should be avoided. So let's say, you walk into a camera store, to buy something and say, you're from Timbuktu. Shop clerk on wiping your Visa card: "I am sorry, we cannot sell this product to you. Unfortunately, it is not possible to block Timbuktu residents from entering our shop during opening times, so regretfully, you were wrongfully able to select this item from our shelf." Btw - I have used Huppert a few times (shipping to Shanghai, buying from eBay, I think) - good shop, great service and fast shipping with professional handling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michali Posted January 23, 2013 Share #107 Posted January 23, 2013 Advertisement (gone after registration) Teamwork in London stock a wide range of Heliopan filters and, I think, also sell them via an eBay 'shop'. They are a reputable outfit. +1 I've found that they have the widest range of filters and are a pleasure to deal with; efficient processing of my order and prompt dispatch. I've also made several purchases of filters & C/V lenses from a French online retailer who is extremely efficient and reliable and normally has plenty of stock: Filtres pour Photo N & B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 24, 2013 Share #108 Posted January 24, 2013 Try FilterBerg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share #109 Posted January 30, 2013 Orange filter with bright sun and snow: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/195739-monochrom-filter-discussion/?do=findComment&comment=2229114'>More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted February 2, 2013 Share #110 Posted February 2, 2013 Jamie, skin - a fascinating photographic subject . I could find very few technical references, yet your remarks set me thinking. If we consider the anatomy of skin in as far as it is relevant to photographic rendering we find a layered structure. A fatty base layer, opaque yellowish white, then a layer of capillary veins red to blueish, depending on oxygen saturation and with a density depending on the distribution of veins and arteries. Highly IR reflective. Then Melanin particles which are visible light absorbent, UV reflective and providing toning from Finnish nothing to the blackes African skin, covered by a translucent white layer. This means a large amount of metamerism and a virtually impossible exact rendering. So I can quite understand the need to use tweaking of the color channels to approach a natural-looking effect. Just my thoughts - feel free to shoot holes in them. Nope--no holes. I think you're exactly right here, and it explains why so much traditional colour correction centers around convincing (and culturally acceptable) skin tones, and not necessarily colorimetrically accurate ones. It also explains why certain sensor designs do better or worse in providing a basis for colour correction. This may even be related to your lack of finding resources on reproducing skin tones. I suspect the ability to render skin convincingly is a closely held trade secret. I can't prove the existence of something that's secret, but I'd be surprised, for example, if Kodak didn't have a lot of intellectual property on film rendering of world-wide skin tones under various lighting conditions. And it's this kind of knowledge, perhaps, that made the Kodak pro photographic CCDs so good (and not the fact that they were CCDs, as some folks are saying about the 240 with CMOS). IMO, Canon just came on board as well: their new sensors are way better than their old ones (and indeed their new digital cinema systems boast "greatly improved skin tones" Anyway, back to the MM, I like what people are showing with portraits and an orange filter... from what I can see here it looks a lot more convincing (assuming there's minimail post). I think if I had an MM I'd be using that filter quite a lot (in daylight, or daylight substitute. anyway). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Roberts Posted February 2, 2013 Share #111 Posted February 2, 2013 Jamie- Orange filter on my 90AA and MM camera. [ATTACH]355959[/ATTACH] Now that I see the Jpeg here it prints WAY better. I have not gone over 24x36 inches, but it could easily be double that and render beautifully. It's a beautiful shot--no doubt about it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted February 3, 2013 Share #112 Posted February 3, 2013 Just came across this thread,and thought I'd refer you to a review on the Leica blog comparing the M-Monochrom's color response to that of Tri-X film, which you might want to have a look at. So far in my M-Monochrom photography, I've haven't found a problem in the rendition of skin, although I haven't shot any close-up portraits. Below are a few examples of skin rendition in various degree of shade, followed by a light blue, but intensive sky in the late afternoon that I have not burnt in — all shot without filters. M-Monochrom | Summicron-28 | ISO 3200 Bangkok M-Monochrom | Summicron-28 | ISO 1250 Bangkok M-Monochrom | Elmarit-21 ASPH | ISO 640 Chiang Mai M-Monochrom | Summicron-28| ISO 2000 Colombo —Mitch/Chiang Mai Lanka Footsteps [M-Monochrom/Sri Lanka] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted February 3, 2013 Share #113 Posted February 3, 2013 I'm starting to think that there is no skintone problem. I do think that the MM sensor is different from whatever film in the management of exposure and tonal scale and that it reacts weaker to filters than films do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Branch Posted February 3, 2013 Share #114 Posted February 3, 2013 ....... but I'd be surprised, for example, if Kodak didn't have a lot of intellectual property on film rendering of world-wide skin tones under various lighting conditions....... They do - or at least they did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billo101 Posted February 3, 2013 Share #115 Posted February 3, 2013 to capture portraits which is the best filter for my 75? Thx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted February 3, 2013 Share #116 Posted February 3, 2013 to capture portraits which is the best filter for my 75? Thx none Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batmobile Posted February 21, 2013 Share #117 Posted February 21, 2013 Which is exactly the same filter factor I found when I tested filters with TriX, Neopan 400 and Delta 400, both in 35mm and 120. medium yellow was a mere 1/3 stop Orange was 1 + 1/3 Both are lower than the one and two stops respectively quoted by B&W. I reported this on various forums but was told that 'I did not know what I was talking about and must have made a mistake' because B&W had to be right. Well, five years later, I have been able to maintain perfect exposure parity using these reduced factors and have not been caught out. When I used to dial in the B&W values, I kept getting over exposed negs. I have done the same tests using my Canon SLRs and got the same results. Filter factors are not an absolute value and the MM reacts differently from film. I just ried an Orage filter on/off comparison on mixed winter sunlight subject. The difference was 1 1/3rd stop. And when I need 10.000 I don't use a filtern Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 21, 2013 Author Share #118 Posted February 21, 2013 Filter factors are totally dependent on the colour of the light and the subject. An orange filter under tungsten light will have a filter factor of nearly 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colint544 Posted February 21, 2013 Share #119 Posted February 21, 2013 I favour either a yellow or an orange filter on my MM. As has been pointed out, the red filter can be quite extreme, especially on caucasian faces - lips appear to lack any pigment, and there is a light-ish, waxy, overall look to complexions. That said, it's nice to have the option to up the drama if you feel like it. Just because you can. I shot this image this morning, in Glasgow, using my MM, 28mm 'cron, and a B+W red filter. The light was harsh, the building white, and surrounded by heavy shadow. The sky was blue. Cheers all, Colin Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/195739-monochrom-filter-discussion/?do=findComment&comment=2249603'>More sharing options...
algrove Posted February 21, 2013 Share #120 Posted February 21, 2013 I favour either a yellow or an orange filter on my MM. As has been pointed out, the red filter can be quite extreme, especially on caucasian faces - lips appear to lack any pigment, and there is a light-ish, waxy, overall look to complexions. That said, it's nice to have the option to up the drama if you feel like it. Just because you can. I shot this image this morning, in Glasgow, using my MM, 28mm 'cron, and a B+W red filter. The light was harsh, the building white, and surrounded by heavy shadow. The sky was blue. Cheers all, Colin Did you happen to take the same scene with an orange 040 or 041? Would be interesting to see the differences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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