Jeff S Posted November 3, 2012 Share #1 Â Posted November 3, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Part 3...Monochrom tonal scale and spectral sensitivity. Â Jeff 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Hi Jeff S, Take a look here Puts discusses use of filters on the MM. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
tobey bilek Posted November 3, 2012 Share #2 Â Posted November 3, 2012 Does not surprise me. There is no color component to the file just like black & whilte film. One can not put color in later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 4, 2012 Author Share #3 Â Posted November 4, 2012 Obviously. Â The news here is the actual results, not the general concept. Â Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted November 4, 2012 Share #4  Posted November 4, 2012 Good lord, what is Puts up to ???  This hideous banner ad welcomed me when I perused his words of wisdom.....  Thank god for the 5 finger filter.... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/191451-puts-discusses-use-of-filters-on-the-mm/?do=findComment&comment=2158890'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 4, 2012 Share #5 Â Posted November 4, 2012 (edited) A good argument to get an ad-blocker. It is a good idea to get anti-tracking software as well, as these ads are targeted based on browsing behaviour.... I get the site ad-free btw Edited November 4, 2012 by jaapv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted November 5, 2012 Share #6 Â Posted November 5, 2012 Not keen on the bokeh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted November 5, 2012 Share #7 Â Posted November 5, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) .. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted November 5, 2012 Share #8  Posted November 5, 2012 Obviously. The news here is the actual results, not the general concept.  Jeff  Agreed but I have to admit I don't understand a word of that... anyway an orange filter seems to work best on the Monochrom? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonki-M Posted November 5, 2012 Share #9 Â Posted November 5, 2012 Agreed but I have to admit I don't understand a word of that... anyway an orange filter seems to work best on the Monochrom? Â i also am wondering about this too. most talked about filters for the MM are orange, orange-yellow, and yellow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 5, 2012 Share #10 Â Posted November 5, 2012 I use middle yellow as standard filter. I find the orange filter a bit dramatic. Given the response of the sensor I doubt if the red filters will have the same result as they would have on film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share #11 Â Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) Agreed but I have to admit I don't understand a word of that... anyway an orange filter seems to work best on the Monochrom? Â No, Brett...the whole point of the article is that there is no best filter; rather the choice depends on the scene and its colors, and how the photographer chooses to emphasize different elements. This is no different than in the film days, and Puts even points out that with the MM, folks will have to relearn those effects and adjust for them when using the MM based on its spectral sensitivity. Â He further comments on the different effects of filters on the MM specifically, and differentiates effects from those filters versus using LR exclusively. Â It's not a long article and I believe that if you re-read it slowly in this context you will understand it. Â I don't own the MM, but based on Puts' analysis and my prior film experience and my subject matter, I probably would initially experiment with various yellow and green filters. And compare this to no filters at all, relying on LR. It's all about personal choice...and some experimentation. Â Jeff Edited November 5, 2012 by Jeff S 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 5, 2012 Share #12 Â Posted November 5, 2012 Green could be very useful for landscape, but might flatten the sky. I can also be useful for portraits of caucasian skin, hiding blemishes.. For street and reportage I think yellow might be the better choice. I have green filters on order, but must admit that middle yellow appears to be very satisfactory for general purposes. Generalizing is needed because it is a bit of a hassle to change filters for each shot. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted November 5, 2012 Share #13 Â Posted November 5, 2012 If you buy just one filter, middle yellow is a good choice. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share #14 Â Posted November 5, 2012 .Generalizing is needed because it is a bit of a hassle to change filters for each shot. Â Again, you and I come down to convenience versus inconvenient work. Generalization can lead to generally decent work. But sometimes a little inconvenience is necessary for a terrific print. There is no right or wrong, just different approaches. Â I certainly understand how filters work, and if I owned the MM I would spend the time to relearn them based specifically on the MM. But, even then, it all depends how one chooses to emphasize different elements in the scene, and the last thing I want is to make choices because someone else suggests it's the generally right thing to do. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bybrett Posted November 5, 2012 Share #15  Posted November 5, 2012 No, Brett...the whole point of the article is that there is no best filter; rather the choice depends on the scene and its colors, and how the photographer chooses to emphasize different elements. This is no different than in the film days, and Puts even points out that with the MM, folks will have to relearn those effects and adjust for them when using the MM based on its spectral sensitivity. He further comments on the different effects of filters on the MM specifically, and differentiates effects from those filters versus using LR exclusively.  It's not a long article and I believe that if you re-read it slowly in this context you will understand it.  I don't own the MM, but based on Puts' analysis and my prior film experience and my subject matter, I probably would initially experiment with various yellow and green filters. And compare this to no filters at all, relying on LR. It's all about personal choice...and some experimentation.  Jeff  Appreciate the explanation Jeff, I'll have another stab. Anyway I forgot to add a after "orange filter seems to work best"... but it does seems to work quite well on sunny scenes and much better than a red. Another generalisation! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 5, 2012 Share #16 Â Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) Of course one needs time and I am shooting filter comparisons right now. waiting for the green ones to arrive to throw them into the mix. - and choosing the right filter for the shot is a no-brainer for fine-art, studio and other work where time flows leisurely. But when you are a street or travel or reportage photographer or something like that I can assure you you are not going to risk missing a shot because you have to change a filter. In that case it is wise to have middle yellow on. You can always switch if there is time. No right or wrong here, I agree. Edited November 5, 2012 by jaapv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 5, 2012 Author Share #17 Â Posted November 5, 2012 But when you are a street or travel or reportage photographer or something like that I can assure you you are not going to risk missing a shot because you have to change a filter. Â That's one reason I carried two cameras in my film days...maybe with different film, maybe with or without filters. I wouldn't want to spend for two MMs, though, which is one reason I prefer the flexibility my M8.2 offers...color and b/w. Again, all about choices. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 5, 2012 Share #18 Â Posted November 5, 2012 Well I only have two shoulders, so I'll stick to the M9 and MM... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimmel Posted November 5, 2012 Share #19 Â Posted November 5, 2012 Well I only have two shoulders, so I'll stick to the M9 and MM... Â You also have one neck, so could do the M9, MM, and the new M! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 5, 2012 Share #20 Â Posted November 5, 2012 :D. Rather not... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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