Stealth3kpl Posted November 2, 2012 Share #1 Posted November 2, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm sorry. I've the chance of an FLE. I have no problems with my 35/2 Asph, in fact it's my favourite lens. I missed it in Paris when I decided to take just a 50 and a 24 and to "use my feet to zoom". It was dull there and, shooting film (Portra 160), I also missed a wider aperture than my 50/2. I've long looked for an FLE but I'm aware some people have a problem with the OOF areas in certain circumstances. I'm considering the Leica M in a couple of years time. So, two questions: 1) Those that have a problem with FLE OOF areas, do you have a problem with the 35/2 Asph OOF areas or do you consider the latter to be fine as do I? 2) Has anyone changed from a 35/2 ASPH to the FLE then regretted it or felt that it really wasn't worth the "increased investment". I'll no doubt keep the 35/2 Asph (for my lightweight kit with the 50/2) but sell my 35/2Mk4. Incidently, I also have a new-to-me 50/1.4 Asph. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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01af Posted November 2, 2012 Share #2 Posted November 2, 2012 ... I'm aware some people have a problem with the OOF areas in certain circumstances. Not really. The out-of-focus rendition of the current Summilux-M 35 mm Asph is less than perfect at full aperture but not terrible. Stopped down to f/2 - f/2.8, it becomes very smooth and beautiful. Has anyone changed from a Summicron-M 35/2 Asph to the Summilux-M 35 Asph FLE then regretted it or felt that it really wasn't worth the "increased investment". I changed from a Summarit-M 35 mm 1:2.5, which I prefer over the Summicron-M 35 mm 1:2 Asph, to the current Summilux-M 35 mm 1:1.4 Asph—and definitely don't regret anything. I love the little Summarit (which I still have) but I love the Summilux even more. In low light, it's indispensable. It's a lens with lots of strengths and no weaknesses ... except the cost, of course. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted November 2, 2012 Share #3 Posted November 2, 2012 I would get the FLE in a heartbeat. It's one of my all time favourite lenses. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted November 2, 2012 Share #4 Posted November 2, 2012 I love the little Summarit (which I still have) but I love the Summilux even more. In low light, it's indispensable. It's a lens with lots of strengths and no weaknesses ... except the cost, of course. Also having both of these lenses, I completely agree! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted November 2, 2012 Share #5 Posted November 2, 2012 I can't assist with the comparison with the 35/2 as I don't have it nor have I had it. I just wanted to note that in my experience the 35 FLE renders very similarly to my 50 Asph. That may be of value when considering whether to get the FLE. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share #6 Posted November 2, 2012 I think you've all made my mind up! Olaf's point regarding f2 and smaller was a question I intended to ask so thank you for that. Mod's close the thread before anything negative is posted Thanks again everyone. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stealth3kpl Posted November 27, 2012 Author Share #7 Posted November 27, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I purchased the lens and I have to say I'm very pleased with it so far. I ran a cheap film (Kodak Colorplus 200) through the M2 to test its calibration (and to test a new lab). I think the bokeh is fine. I seem to have a moderate amount of light fall off in the corners. Perhaps this is the B+W UV filter? Is it normal to have such fall off? Pete Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/191398-not-another-352asph-3514-fle-thread/?do=findComment&comment=2176540'>More sharing options...
01af Posted November 27, 2012 Share #8 Posted November 27, 2012 I purchased the lens and I have to say I'm very pleased with it so far. Congratulations! As soon as you've overcome the ridiculous amount of money you spent for a single lens (which will happen very soon), henceforth you never will regret this purchase. Is it normal to have such fall-off? At full aperture—yes, it's normal. Also check the Leica tech spec sheets offered for download for every lens on their homepage. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
epm Posted November 28, 2012 Share #9 Posted November 28, 2012 I purchased the lens and I have to say I'm very pleased with it so far. I ran a cheap film (Kodak Colorplus 200) through the M2 to test its calibration (and to test a new lab). I think the bokeh is fine. I seem to have a moderate amount of light fall off in the corners. Perhaps this is the B+W UV filter? Is it normal to have such fall off?Pete [ATTACH]348563[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]348564[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]348565[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]348566[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]348567[/ATTACH] Very nice. Isn't photography fun? I would say some fall off is normal, but it helps keep the eye focused on what is important in the image. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted November 28, 2012 Share #10 Posted November 28, 2012 Glad you got the lens Pete. It's amazing, absolutely amazing and works great on film. I also experience the same amount of fall-off. As your images show the amount and the impression of the fall-off is very situation-dependent. Also the bokeh is situation-dependent. Several of your images show very clearly that the purportedly smooth/flat/boring bokeh of modern asphericals is not all that this lens is capable of. cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 28, 2012 Share #11 Posted November 28, 2012 Yes, I also see noticeable light fall-off and not just at wide-open apertures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted December 27, 2012 Share #12 Posted December 27, 2012 (edited) Bokeh of sorts. Sorry, but just remembered the image which I see needs to be rotated. Guess the beer was too good that day. Forget that the image is off and look at the OOF areas. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited December 27, 2012 by algrove 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/191398-not-another-352asph-3514-fle-thread/?do=findComment&comment=2199327'>More sharing options...
lct Posted December 28, 2012 Share #13 Posted December 28, 2012 Kind of bokeh i'm not fond of i'm afraid. I should receive the 35/1.4 FLE in a couple of days and see how it renders compared to the 35/2 asph the bokeh of which i don't like much either. Great lens otherwise though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4X5B&W Posted December 28, 2012 Share #14 Posted December 28, 2012 (edited) I would suggest that anyone who is concerned about the OOF image of the FLE try a 35 Lux ASPH as a cheaper, readily available alternative. Smoother look, and plenty sharp......does that wonderful transition from gently softer edges wide open to sharp and saturated as it stops down. Lenses like this are creative tools, a multiple "look" lens by simply changing the aperture. Lenses that are sharp and contrasty at all apertures are not necessarily the best IMO. Edited December 28, 2012 by 4X5B&W 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted December 28, 2012 Share #15 Posted December 28, 2012 I think you've all made my mind up! Olaf's point regarding f2 and smaller was a question I intended to ask so thank you for that. Mod's close the thread before anything negative is posted Thanks again everyone. Pete It is a shame you expect something negative with a good question. Your post had some good points and very good responses that I found relevant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph13 Posted December 29, 2012 Share #16 Posted December 29, 2012 It is a shame you expect something negative with a good question. Your post had some good points and very good responses that I found relevant. Methinks the battery of your irony detector needs a healthy recharge... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 29, 2012 Share #17 Posted December 29, 2012 Just received the current "FLE" Summilux 35/1.4. At f/1.4, its OOF rendition looks more contrasty than that of both Summilux 35/1.4 pre-asph and CV 35/1.4 SC but not to the point to be disturbing so far. From f/2 to f/11, the FLE's bokeh remains more busy than the formers' but looks slightly less detailed and contrasty than that of the 35/2 asph, except at f/2.8 and f/8 in my first sample pics. All in all, the current 35/1.4 and 35/2 are very close anyway so i'm not sure i'd advise the Summilux to people not needing f/1.4 really. As often at Leica's, the main choice is Mandler, Karbe or both. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted December 30, 2012 Share #18 Posted December 30, 2012 Just received the current "FLE" Summilux 35/1.4. At f/1.4, its OOF rendition looks more contrasty than that of both Summilux 35/1.4 pre-asph and CV 35/1.4 SC but not to the point to be disturbing so far. From f/2 to f/11, the FLE's bokeh remains more busy than the formers' but looks slightly less detailed and contrasty than that of the 35/2 asph, except at f/2.8 and f/8 in my first sample pics. All in all, the current 35/1.4 and 35/2 are very close anyway so i'm not sure i'd advise the Summilux to people not needing f/1.4 really. As often at Leica's, the main choice is Mandler, Karbe or both. My biere shot was taken with the 35/1.4 FLE, like the one you just received. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted December 30, 2012 Share #19 Posted December 30, 2012 Yes i know but i can't seem to retrieve such a rendition without overexposing or pushing contrast a lot. Would be interesting to develop your pic with less highlights and/or contrast to see how it looks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted December 30, 2012 Share #20 Posted December 30, 2012 That is an OOC jpeg untouched. I might LR it to see if I can tone down things and/or crop out unwanted highlights. Sound good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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