Mr. Doug Posted November 1, 2012 Share #1 Posted November 1, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I purchased a lens on eBay last week, and when it arrived the other day, I see this. German Summilux 35/1.4 ( Leica M Summilux 35 mm F 1 4 Black Finish Metal Lens Hood 12504 | eBay ) When I contacted the seller, he said "This len is an used lens. If it has a little abrasion, it's quite normal. It is not affect any photos quality. The lens with this price is still a lot people interest." I told him that I'd be returning the lens for a refund. (Now there is some backpedalling.) Now, I have the lens at a dealer, and when I get home tomorrow, I'm going to go take a look at it. So...my question is... IS this acceptable? I'm not too excited about a $2,400 with an abrasion. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/191354-is-this-acceptable-for-a-used-lens/?do=findComment&comment=2156026'>More sharing options...
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pgk Posted November 1, 2012 Share #2 Posted November 1, 2012 FWIW, having read the description I would be equally unhappy. IMHO an abrasion like this should form part of a description if the lens is going to be described as being in 'excellent cosmetic and working condition' - that's my opinion anyway. Having said that I'd doubt that there will be any noticeable performance problems - although you could try some 'into the light shots' to see how it performs, this lens is somewhat flare prone, if I remember mine correctly, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted November 1, 2012 Share #3 Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) I remember reading somewhere that marks on the front glass don't make any difference if not severe but as they work back to the rear glass they become noticeable, which would worry me about that mark. Nevertheless this should have been in the description. I find on eBay that mint, excellent and good mean different things to different people. Edited November 1, 2012 by colonel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 1, 2012 Share #4 Posted November 1, 2012 It is the responsibility of the seller to mention any faults in the description of second hand goods. I suppose especially so as they have said 'excellent cosmetic and working condition'. It doesn't matter if it makes no difference to the performance, but it does make a difference if you want to sell it because then you will take the financial hit for damaged goods rather than this seller. Send it back. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonki-M Posted November 1, 2012 Share #5 Posted November 1, 2012 whether the abrasion or faults of a used lens affect its performance or not, the seller has the responsibility to report such faults. THEN it is up to the buyer to decide if he can live with a little cosmetic fault or not. i, for one, will pay more for a more cosmetically perfect condition lens even though the performance is the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 1, 2012 Share #6 Posted November 1, 2012 It may not influence the lens' performance that much, but I would worry about flare. Personally I would find it unacceptable unless clearly declared and reflected in the price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted November 1, 2012 Share #7 Posted November 1, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica might be able to give you a little advice too if you get stuck, the main problem will be flair and loweing of contrast locally. Evidently the back is more infleuntial to performance than the front. If that part is not coated a few specialists can polish makes out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipus Posted November 1, 2012 Share #8 Posted November 1, 2012 Yes it should have been mentioned in the description. In fact, there ought to have been a description of the glass condition which there isn't. If you're not happy with it you should return it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebidwell Posted November 1, 2012 Share #9 Posted November 1, 2012 Hi Doug, having read the comments from our other colleagues I'd say the guy didn't describe it correctly and having paid what you did for it I think if I was in your position it would be rapidly returned for a refund. Mind you I don't know how easy that will be but I wouldn't find the condition acceptable. Best of luck Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Gunst Lund Posted November 1, 2012 Share #10 Posted November 1, 2012 Scratches on the rear element show up in the images especially shooting into light. This lens should be labeled/Priced as 'Bargin' Just check any of the serious online buyers grading systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 1, 2012 Share #11 Posted November 1, 2012 It's hard to tell from the photo where or what the mark is - is it within the lens? Or is it a scratch on the front or rear element? It looks like a mark inside the lens, if so it's very, very, unlikely to make any effect on your images IMHO, but the seller has not described his item correctly. If you are unhappy ask to return it for a refund (also record a dispute with ebay to protect yourself). Or you could see if the seller will agree to a partial refund if you keep the lens. I have learnt to read what isn't said in ebay seller descriptions. The seller hasn't mentioned optical condition just 'cosmetic'. I think a lot of people off load stuff on ebay which have some kind of minor fault or defect, in the hope that the seller either won't notice or won't be bothered to risk returning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Mandeville Posted November 1, 2012 Share #12 Posted November 1, 2012 Absolutely unacceptable that they stated it was in "excellent cosmetic and working condition" without disclosing an abrasion on the rear element. That is fraud, plain and simple. I expect the actual market value of that lens is much less than you paid for it. I would return it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Doug Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share #13 Posted November 1, 2012 Thanks gang. I'd already told him point-blank that if I'd known about the abrasion, I wouldn't have bothered to bid. He's in Australia, so I'm going to have to send it and wait for a refund. That part sucks. I plan on returning it, or filing a claim if he wont take it back. Just making sure I'm not crazy...Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted November 1, 2012 Share #14 Posted November 1, 2012 Well..... when it comes to eBay sellers have a tendency to be half blind and buyers have X-ray vision..... Having said that, if the seller boasts he has a lot of others interested he should have no problem taking it back and re-listing it. I've just bought a late 60 Macro Elmarit R described as 'mint' ..... with a divot on the barrel on the side that was carefully not photographed..... but the price was ok and otherwise it is perfect ..... a 20 minute job with a bit of filler and matt enamel paint and you would never know. In reality I've been conned, but I'm happy, and I'm keeping it Ebay is always a lottery...... you have to ask yourself: is this a material defect that will have a significant impact on images ..... and is the price fair for what I've got ? If not , and you still feel cheated, send it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB007 Posted November 1, 2012 Share #15 Posted November 1, 2012 If the seller refuse to accept your return, notify eBay since it was not described properly. Dispute the charge if you paid by credit card on PayPal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted November 1, 2012 Share #16 Posted November 1, 2012 Don't just send it back without notifying Ebay first that you are making a claim for a refund. Keep all correspondence so far, and copy to Ebay if they ask. Then send it back. Steve 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted November 1, 2012 Share #17 Posted November 1, 2012 Be careful! Message the seller through ebay, asking for his agreement to a refund. Assuming he agrees send the lens back using a signed for/insured service. The normal form is that the seller doesn't refund postage charges so you may have to bear that. If you don't get the sellers written agreement don't send the lens, file a dispute on ebay and paypal if you paid by that method. Paypal can make a chargeback if they find in your favour. At the moment you have a lens albeit with a defect - you don't want to end up with no lens and no money!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iphoenix Posted November 2, 2012 Share #18 Posted November 2, 2012 I know you've already decided to return the lens and I totally agree you should. Just want to add my 2 cents. If you can photograph that abrasion, then so could the seller. He did not, though he took a few pictures of the front element. Also, he could be accused of making an ambiguous statement in that he said the lens was "in excellent cosmetic and working condition". Does this mean it is in excellent cosmetic condition and working, or are both conditions excellent. As this seller is, apparently, based in my homeland, I will be very careful if I am tempted by any of his future offers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 2, 2012 Share #19 Posted November 2, 2012 If you look at his (positive) feed back he is a buyer/trader rather than a seller. Another argument to deal with reputed Leica sources only on e-Bay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 2, 2012 Share #20 Posted November 2, 2012 I purchased a lens on eBay last week, and when it arrived the other day, I see this. German Summilux 35/1.4 ( Leica M Summilux 35 mm F 1 4 Black Finish Metal Lens Hood 12504 | eBay ) When I contacted the seller, he said "This len is an used lens. If it has a little abrasion, it's quite normal. It is not affect any photos quality. The lens with this price is still a lot people interest." I told him that I'd be returning the lens for a refund. (Now there is some backpedalling.) Now, I have the lens at a dealer, and when I get home tomorrow, I'm going to go take a look at it. So...my question is... IS this acceptable? I'm not too excited about a $2,400 with an abrasion. Not at all! This made the lens about $500,- cheaper IMO. Sent it back in a safe way , or ask for a refund. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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