MarkP Posted October 25, 2012 Share #1 Posted October 25, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) As I have quite an extensive M-lens system and am not into long telephotos, the only two R lenses that really interest me for the M are the PC-Super-Angulon-R 28mm and the Vario-Elmarit-R 28-90mm Asph. Does anyone know if there is information regarding whether the PC-Super-Angulon-R 28mm with adapter will be compatible with the new Leica M, and what is the quality of this lens like? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 25, 2012 Posted October 25, 2012 Hi MarkP, Take a look here Options for Shift lenses on the M-240 -Merged. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jaapv Posted October 25, 2012 Share #2 Posted October 25, 2012 I did try the M9 with a Nikon shift lens and it worked perfectly ( in fact better than a D700) so I think the PC SA would do excellently on the M240. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 26, 2012 Author Share #3 Posted October 26, 2012 Moderators: could this thread please be moved to the R subforum? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted October 26, 2012 Share #4 Posted October 26, 2012 Mark, I'm trying to communicate with you, without success... Regards, Manolo Laguillo Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted October 26, 2012 Share #5 Posted October 26, 2012 (edited) Here you have a picture done with the 28 S-Ang 28/2.8 and the M9. The shift was a diagonal one using the greatest displacement (11 mm) this lens allows. I include a detail of the upper right corner. This is really an extreme case... Regards, Manolo Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 26, 2012 by Manolo Laguillo 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/191026-options-for-shift-lenses-on-the-m-240-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2151467'>More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share #6 Posted October 27, 2012 Mark, I'm trying to communicate with you, without success...Regards, Manolo Laguillo I've pm'ed you Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 27, 2012 Share #7 Posted October 27, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've been reflecting on this, and wonder if there's the possibility of a SHIFT solution for the M along the lines of the Fotodiox converter. Lens Mount Adapters. Does any one have experience on micro 2/3? If it's possible, it makes feasible the use of a range of high quality lenses (R or other makers) for architecture. I know that the Super Angulon Shift is a very good lens - but this might make for a more affordable solution if you only have an occasional need for this kind of application. Another potentially useful and undreamed of application for an M camera? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted October 27, 2012 Share #8 Posted October 27, 2012 I've pm'ed you where did you "pm'ed" me? here in this forum? to my email address? nothing has arrived... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share #9 Posted October 27, 2012 where did you "pm'ed" me? here in this forum? to my email address?nothing has arrived... I've sent you a message earlier and just emailed you through the forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 27, 2012 Share #10 Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) I'm clearly still thinking about this - and an affordable options would seem to be the Hartbeli series: HARTBLEI 35mm Super-Rotator Tilt Shift Lens | HARTBLEI. They come with an R mount - amongst others. A very positive review of the the lens on medium format is here: Hartblei Superrotator. Even more interesting a review of the lens in Canon mount: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/1557203 (on a crop sensor 1D Mk2) Even more (?) interesting is this: http://araxfoto.com/accessories/hassel_adapter/ It allows you to convert HASSELBLAD lenses to an R mount and then use them as T/S lenses! Intrigued if there is any experience of these + opinions re suitability for the M-240. It looks encouraging. I have a developing interest in architectural photography, and this could be fun. Live view could mean that it's a real world option with the M-240. Edited October 27, 2012 by chris_tribble 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 27, 2012 Share #11 Posted October 27, 2012 A couple more links with further food for thought: Technical Perspective: The best tilt-and-shift lenses - British Journal of Photography Hartblei Optics by Carl Zeiss 4/40 IF TS Something has to come out of all this! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 28, 2012 Author Share #12 Posted October 28, 2012 Chris, thanks for the references, but why don't you just get the Leica R 2.8/28 Super-Angulon with an R-to-M adapter? Mark Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 28, 2012 Share #13 Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) Price + the Super-Angulon is Shift only - I'm interested in a true T/S lens. Canon FD mount is another thought. However - I've now just noticed this - which could make me think again! http://www.peartreephotoshop.co.uk/product-p/sr40if.htm Edited October 28, 2012 by chris_tribble 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 28, 2012 Share #14 Posted October 28, 2012 Chris, I would have thought the Hartblei and Arax solutions would have the advantage that the lenses have a larger image circle and thus would allow greater latitude of tilt shift than a 35mm SLR lens would. I assume this is why you can get away with a 35mm lens on an MFT sensor with the FotoDiox adapters. I do wonder however if the somewhat restricted throat of the M chamber is an issue and you would get vignetting. I don't know what the light path of these T/S lenses is. With all the pixels of the M-240, you can of course always do the T/S in PP with transform in PS ;-) Wilson 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 28, 2012 Share #15 Posted October 28, 2012 Chris, I have just been looking at the Hartblei website. Confusing - can you buy a 35mm/35mm T/S lens or not? Is the T/S lens the same as the Super-Rotator? Have a look at the price list and you will see what I mean. If you can, the price looks very attractive. At those sort of prices, you don't mind buying a lens for even occasional use. I had a similar philosophy when I bought the CV Super Wide Heliar 15mm a few months ago. When you buy a Leica lens, it better be one you use a lot! Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted October 28, 2012 Share #16 Posted October 28, 2012 Looking here: HARTBLEI 35mm Super-Rotator Tilt Shift Lens | HARTBLEI it seems that the 35 Super Rotator (T/S) is available in R mount. This is the one I would get if I was going for one. For around $550 it's not a bad deal. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 28, 2012 Share #17 Posted October 28, 2012 Chris, When you look at the price list, in red print at the top it says "Super-Rotator lenses are out of stock...(please, don't ask about availability - if item is available, it's mentioned in the price list)", then quotes a price lower down, that is why I was a bit confused. I will wait anyway until I have a M-240 actually in my hot sticky hands, before buying yet another lens. Unlike the more desirable R lenses, I don't think the price will move upwards. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted October 28, 2012 Share #18 Posted October 28, 2012 There are of course 2 worlds in the world of shift lenses: long focal ones, and wide angles. Broadly speaking, the first is related to still life, table-top, products, and the second to cityscape and architecture. It's possible to use a medium focal length with 24x36, make several exposures, each one shifted in regard to the rest of them, and in PP stitch them together to fake a bigger sensor. This is, of course, easier to say than to make :-) : a steady tripod and good working routines are essential. I've found that another good solution (perhaps it's even better, because it is quicker) is making several shoots covering a realtively small field (let's say 90 degrees) with the camera on a pano rig (the best one is IMO the pt4pano). The main Hartblei solutions seem to be more related with medium and long focal length lenses, because the 17mm and 24mm are made by Canon. Hartblei makes for them collars that make it very easy to stitch by sliding the camera, and not the lens. Below you will find pictures of the part that a small workshop made to measure for the 28mm Leica R Shift, following my instructions. With it and that lens it's possible to arrive to 90 degrees in horizontal (equiv to a 18mm), but with many more pixels, because more than one frame is taken. I had made this part here in Spain (price: 170 euros) because Hartblei told me that they could not do it for less than a ridicolous amount of money... Cheers, Manolo Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/191026-options-for-shift-lenses-on-the-m-240-merged/?do=findComment&comment=2152721'>More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted October 28, 2012 Share #19 Posted October 28, 2012 Manolo, Other than reversing the direction of the movement/perspective change of the image, does it actually make any difference holding the lens and moving the camera, to holding the camera and moving the lens? Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravastar Posted October 28, 2012 Share #20 Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) Manolo, Other than reversing the direction of the movement/perspective change of the image, does it actually make any difference holding the lens and moving the camera, to holding the camera and moving the lens? Wilson Parallax is the problem with moving the lens and not the imaging device. It's particularly noticeable with wide angle shots (which stitched images tend to be) when there are close foreground objects in the scene. The displaced foreground objects appear as multiple images in the stitch. Bob. Edited October 28, 2012 by gravastar 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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