IWC Doppel Posted October 26, 2012 Share #1 Posted October 26, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I didn't get the usual Apple new product email but I noticed it today. I wonder how much better it will be than my current 27" iMAC 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 26, 2012 Posted October 26, 2012 Hi IWC Doppel, Take a look here New 27" iMAC with 75% reduced reflectivity. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
algrove Posted October 26, 2012 Share #2 Posted October 26, 2012 Did the new stand alone Apple monitor change too? Most are focused on the mini-Ipad, so lots of information is not being talked about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nggalai Posted October 27, 2012 Share #3 Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) Algrove, the „Thunderbolt Display“ hasn’t been changed yet. IWC Doppel, “how much better” depends on many things. CPU, graphics, display undoubtedly are better, in the case of the top-line graphics solution massively so (fastest mobile chipset on the market). But you’ll lose the built-in DVD burner (“Superdrive”) and Firewire ports – you’re supposed to buy a Thunderbolt-to-Firewire adaptor for existing FW800 gear, and an external optical drive should you need one. The integrated SD reader is at the back. This has two effects: Inserting an SD card means either turning the 27" iMac, or trial-by-error in inserting the card without seeing the slot. Ever tried this on an iMac with an USB stick? Fun times! Having to be able to reach/turn such a huge device means you still need about the same distance to it as before; with turning you’ll need more space on the desk than with the older, thicker version. So, basically, you have functionality-follows-design. It may look sexier from the side, but the new iMac will eat up just as much space on the desk as the old one – should you regularly need an optical drive even more due to the external burner. In turn, you lose functionality because stuff didn’t fit the smaller enclosure anymore. I really wonder why Apple didn’t plan for an optional breakout box. It could include e.g. a Superdrive, some USB and Firewire ports and an SD slot, all connected via one Thunderbolt cable. Belkin has announced something similar, but it’s supposed to ship Q1 next year the earliest. The new 21.5" iMac is even more aggravating: Memory isn’t user-serviceable and the enclosure doesn’t have the 27"’s memory door. It’s highly likely Apple soldered the RAM in the 21.5" iMac, just as they do with their Retina MacBook Pros. But we’ll have to wait for an iFixit teardown to see the full picture. So, in short: How much better the new iMacs will end up to be for each individual is, well, a personal thing. If you want easier upgradability or serviceability, or really need a DVD drive, or don’t like adaptors, the older ones might be the better deal. If you need more computation power with less electrical power usage, the new ones. Edited October 27, 2012 by nggalai 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted October 27, 2012 Share #4 Posted October 27, 2012 The fact that it is 75% less reflective alone makes it worthwhile! The current iMacs are for me a non-starter due simply to that. So much so that I've been looking at Eizo/NEC screens with a Mac mini (and the Mini's had a good boost now as well). I'm not concerned about the SD slot, I"ll simply use what I do at present, although I agree it's not in the ideal place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted October 27, 2012 Author Share #5 Posted October 27, 2012 I am curious about the screen, but will not be changing my 'old' iMac for a few years yet. My machine is a 2010/11 with 2.93Ghz i7 quad core with 16GB of ram, so finds 18Mb pictures and lightroom rendering easy enough. It does look cool though ! I was hoping they wold come out with a 27" retina screen at some point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nggalai Posted October 27, 2012 Share #6 Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) The fact that it is 75% less reflective alone makes it worthwhile! The current iMacs are for me a non-starter due simply to that. So much so that I've been looking at Eizo/NEC screens with a Mac mini (and the Mini's had a good boost now as well). I'm not concerned about the SD slot, I"ll simply use what I do at present, although I agree it's not in the ideal place. The reflectiveness will remain to be seen (literally). It seems Apple employs a similar process on the glass front as optical glass manufacturers use. First reports from MacBook Pro Retina 13" users indicate it’s better than the old process, but still not yet “there”. With older iMacs, you could simply remove the glass cover and live with a “normal” glossy screen. This helps lots depending on where you place your iMac, a matte screen it isn’t, though. But neither are the new ones. (I did this recently when I had to clean the back of the glass front and rather liked the steampunky look. I have ordered a Macframe replacement, well, frame anyhow as we have loads of flies here and they tend to be attracted by computers. Don’t really need dead insects in my iMac; software bugs are enough. ) Still, the new screen will be a nice step forward from the older ones. They weren’t bad, measured nicely with colorimeters. But with the glass front in place reflections can be a huge issue. Also, display technology has matured quite a bit so I’m sure the new screens will be better in pretty much any aspect than the older ones. Cheers, -Sascha Edit: iMac without glass front as an attachment to this post. Not dangerous or anything, but with enough holes in it to be attractive for insects. It still reflects lots, as you can see, but it’s much much better than with the glass cover in place. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited October 27, 2012 by nggalai 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/190973-new-27-imac-with-75-reduced-reflectivity/?do=findComment&comment=2151851'>More sharing options...
nggalai Posted October 27, 2012 Share #7 Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Addendum (as I can’t edit my earlier posting) – here’s a live shot of the new iMac. Note the reflections, not much better, if at all, than a “normal” glossy screen: Apple iMac 2012 hands-on - SlashGear (Telling images are No.3 and No.7.) I re-listened to the keynote, apparently the glass screen is laminated to the display (to make it thinner), i.e. one unit. So removing the glass probably won’t be an option with new iMacs should reflections still be too intense. Edited October 27, 2012 by nggalai 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted October 27, 2012 Share #8 Posted October 27, 2012 My glossy screened Retina Macbook Pro is really, really very impressive. I was quite stunned by how little reflects given it's...well...glossy. Particularly in comparison to old Mac glossy macbook pro's. So I would imagine the same will be said about the iMac, which looks really good I might add! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted November 23, 2012 Share #9 Posted November 23, 2012 The integrated SD reader is at the back. This has two effects: Inserting an SD card means either turning the 27" iMac, or trial-by-error in inserting the card without seeing the slot. Ever tried this on an iMac with an USB stick? Fun times! Having to be able to reach/turn such a huge device means you still need about the same distance to it as before; with turning you’ll need more space on the desk than with the older, thicker version. Simple : place a mirror rectangle flat under the connections row. You will perfectly see where to plug what. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted November 23, 2012 Share #10 Posted November 23, 2012 Talk about a cludge, JHAG... I'm a big fan of Apple products and have been since 1990. Putting an integrated SD card slot round the back of the computer is absolutely, completely ridiculous. If Samsung had done such as thing, they would be treated with derision, not the helpful suggestion that all you have to do is put a mirror at the back. I have an iMac with the SD slot in the side, below the DVD drive. Getting a card out of the latter, when you have mistakenly missed the former, tested my patience, I have to say. I would hazard a guess that in three years time, there will be 2012 iMacs on the second hand market, with completely unused SD card slots. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHAG Posted November 23, 2012 Share #11 Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) Talk about a cludge, JHAG... I'm a big fan of Apple products and have been since 1990. Putting an integrated SD card slot round the back of the computer is absolutely, completely ridiculous. If Samsung had done such as thing, they would be treated with derision, not the helpful suggestion that all you have to do is put a mirror at the back. I have an iMac with the SD slot in the side, below the DVD drive. Getting a card out of the latter, when you have mistakenly missed the former, tested my patience, I have to say. I would hazard a guess that in three years time, there will be 2012 iMacs on the second hand market, with completely unused SD card slots. You don't like my mirror idea ? Granted, Apple could have engraved a small marking there to help find the slot. That said, I use it everyday and never inserted it wrongly. Just a matter of feeling the right slot with the index prior insertion. Edited November 23, 2012 by JHAG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted November 23, 2012 Share #12 Posted November 23, 2012 No. I can't see much of a reason why they couldn't have put it on the side or in the bottom of the unit. How thick does an SD card slot have to be? Apple products are supposed to make life simpler and enhance the user's experience of working with the product. Clearly, sticking an SD card slot round the back cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, be part of that philosophy. Now, if Apple made a decent looking universal card reader that sat on the foot of the unit, connected to the FW port, that would be a great idea. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted November 23, 2012 Share #13 Posted November 23, 2012 I have an iMac with the SD slot in the side, below the DVD drive. Getting a card out of the latter, when you have mistakenly missed the former, tested my patience, I have to say. Same here. Having bought the beautiful computer with the Spartan design I now have an USB hub permanently cluttering my desk as well as a short extension cord for the headphones. However, I keep a small area of the desk just behind the iMac free. It's the landing area for the CDs I keep on dropping behind the iMac. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted November 23, 2012 Share #14 Posted November 23, 2012 Same here. Having bought the beautiful computer with the Spartan design I now have an USB hub permanently cluttering my desk as well as a short extension cord for the headphones. Me too. Far too few USB and FW ports for most users, I would think, so everyone has a USB hub. All a bit silly really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 24, 2012 Share #15 Posted November 24, 2012 The fact that it is 75% less reflective alone makes it worthwhile! The current iMacs are for me a non-starter due simply to that. So much so that I've been looking at Eizo/NEC screens with a Mac mini (and the Mini's had a good boost now as well). I'm not concerned about the SD slot, I"ll simply use what I do at present, although I agree it's not in the ideal place. I got the HP zr30 pro model which is very nice since it's a matte screen with all the latest Ips, etc, etc. Comes with every cable imaginable for it. Hope I got the model name correct since I am on the road for 2 more weeks. 5 year warranty available. ought for use on my mini, but now use it on my Mac Pro. Just love it. Got for USD1250. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidE Posted November 26, 2012 Share #16 Posted November 26, 2012 The integrated SD reader is at the back. This has two effects: Inserting an SD card means either turning the 27" iMac, or trial-by-error in inserting the card without seeing the slot. Ever tried this on an iMac with an USB stick? Fun times! Having to be able to reach/turn such a huge device means you still need about the same distance to it as before; with turning you’ll need more space on the desk than with the older, thicker version. The Sandisk Micromate SD card reader may do the trick at a cost of about £9. (Other makes are available) David Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/190973-new-27-imac-with-75-reduced-reflectivity/?do=findComment&comment=2175829'>More sharing options...
robert blu Posted November 27, 2012 Share #17 Posted November 27, 2012 More than 5 years ago I bought my 24 i.mac (with matt screen) and the maximum possible of specs (3 GB) . Later I thought it had been better having bought the MacPro considering the price difference was to me affordable. I promised myself to remember this for my next purchase. Now I would like to upgrade but it seems me no new MacPro in a short time. Really thinking about the i.mac and if the screen is not up to my expectations I'll connect an external one (Eizo, Nec or...). of course an USB hub and external DVD drives will be part of the game. robert PS: But if a Pro should arrive on the market in a short time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nggalai Posted November 28, 2012 Share #18 Posted November 28, 2012 The Sandisk Micromate SD card reader may do the trick at a cost of about £9. (Other makes are available) David This works, if you use a cable-bound keyboard with USB ports. Which I don’t. Apple’s default choice with new iMacs has been bluetooth keyboards for a while, too. But yes, for people with keyboards including an USB hub, this might be a good solution. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share #19 Posted December 9, 2012 A small black cable connector with USB to card reader could work, I don't notice my iPad connector that is permanently connected with a dark desk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted December 9, 2012 Share #20 Posted December 9, 2012 I agree that the placement of that SD card slot is ridiculous. It probably is one of the most ridiculous design decisions on a mac ever. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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