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JC,

 

If it was to fit the whole lens, I don't understand why the adapters are 63.5mm long. If they were a direct replacement for a Visoflex, would they not be 41mm long or is this to do replacing a Visoflex 1 about which I know absolutely zero. Did Visoflex 1's use lenses, with different flange to film distances (92.3mm = 63.5 + 28.8)

 

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JC,

 

If it was to fit the whole lens, I don't understand why the adapters are 63.5mm long. If they were a direct replacement for a Visoflex, would they not be 41mm long or is this to do replacing a Visoflex 1 about which I know absolutely zero. Did Visoflex 1's use lenses, with different flange to film distances (92.3mm = 63.5 + 28.8)

 

Wilson

these adapters are substitutes of the Viso I and Visos II & III with OUBIO

you can see on the different pics that the lens are complete on Visos and on the Tube

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this tread series is becoming camera porn, I enjoy!:D

 

Thanks for the pics to JC! Is there more availiable?

 

If it was to fit the whole lens, I don't understand why the adapters are 63.5mm long. If they were a direct replacement for a Visoflex, would they not be 41mm long or is this to do replacing a Visoflex 1 about which I know absolutely zero. Did Visoflex 1's use lenses, with different flange to film distances (92.3mm = 63.5 + 28.8)

Wilson

No, You adapted 200&400mm lenses on Viso 1 direct mounted, for Viso 2&3 You need a ring 16466= OUBIO.

OUBIO plus Viso 2/3 = Viso 1= TZOON flange.

 

Thomas

 

ps.: question @all: I did internet recherche, but could not find a M to M 41mm = Viso 2/3 substitute. I'm sure I saw a Leitz ring with this dimension & usage, but can't remember.

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this tread series is becoming camera porn, I enjoy!:D

 

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ps.: question @all: I did internet recherche, but could not find a M to M 41mm = Viso 2/3 substitute. I'm sure I saw a Leitz ring with this dimension & usage, but can't remember.

 

I am almost sure that such a tube never existed... the "long mounts" made for 90 f2 and 135 2,8 have a length in that range, but not M bayonet in front... the tube to adapt Viso lenses to R mount does exist, but of course different also... And after all, at the times of Viso 2/3 the lenses made only for it were all "long" (280 to 560/800 - the 180 is an "odd one"...) ... how should one use them without any focusing facility ?

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I am almost sure that such a tube never existed...

 

Ha Ha !:D

Even after so many bottles of cheap Bordeuax my brain is still working:

 

Leitz General Catalogue of Photographic Equipment - Ernst Leitz (Firm) - Google Books

 

Of course the only Leitz M-product with "preview" was able to use this adapter so long time ago!

 

code was 543195

 

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We have been discussing this on a couple of other threads. Here is a picture of the rare 543195 adapter.

 

Wilson

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Ha Ha !:D

Even after so many bottles of cheap Bordeuax my brain is still working:

 

Leitz General Catalogue of Photographic Equipment - Ernst Leitz (Firm) - Google Books

 

Of course the only Leitz M-product with "preview" was able to use this adapter so long time ago!

 

code was 543195

 

have fun

Thomas

Shame on me.... :o.... damn, quoted only into the microphotograpy and into the Leicina catalogs only !!!

Btw... Leicina is history... but microphotography gear is bound to long lifecycles.... could be that Leica is able to revitalize it as is...

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Shame on me.... :o.... damn, quoted only into the microphotograpy and into the Leicina catalogs only !!!

Btw... Leicina is history... but microphotography gear is bound to long lifecycles.... could be that Leica is able to revitalize it as is...

 

I sent an email to Andreas about a week ago, asking is he could forward a letter from me to Jesko von Oeynhausen, enquiring if it might be possible to put a 41mm M extension tube back into production but I haven't heard anything back. I did have Jesko's email address from some years ago, when he was involved with the development of the SF58-D but it seems to have deleted itself from my email system when I upgraded from Entourage to Outlook. You would have thought that if the R to M adapter is €250, then this ought to be less. It is the sort of thing the Chinese can knock out for less than €30 but from Leica, I would guess €180. When you can pick up a broken Viso II for a fraction of this price, I am not 100% sure I would go for one, unless they can do it a bit cheaper.

 

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The good news is that I have Amadeo Muscelli interested in making a short run of these. The only difficulty is the female bayonet, which is more complicated than you might think. Not only does it have to have the spring loaded latch but the actual camming slopes of the bayonet are sprung to hold the lens firmly in place. It may be that we have to approach Leica to supply these bayonets. They do hold spares for older M cameras which would work. It is best to get a single batch as they tend to vary in thickness from batch to batch (Information from CRR in Luton). This would alter the length of the tube slightly.

 

See photo below of spring loading of bayonet slopes.

 

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The good news is that I have Amadeo Muscelli interested in making a short run of these. The only difficulty is the female bayonet, which is more complicated than you might think. Not only does it have to have the spring loaded latch but the actual camming slopes of the bayonet are sprung to hold the lens firmly in place. It may be that we have to approach Leica to supply these bayonets. They do hold spares for older M cameras which would work. It is best to get a single batch as they tend to vary in thickness from batch to batch (Information from CRR in Luton). This would alter the length of the tube slightly.

 

See photo below of spring loading of bayonet slopes.

 

Wilson

 

I know a pair of Italian labs who ought to have a certain number of spare female bayonets (by sure I SAW some at one of them last year... most of the "body" type but also a pair of the "Viso II/III type"... slightly different latch I seem to remember...) : do you think is worth I try to contact them ? the slightly differences in thickness maybe are not a great issue... after all, the goal is to have direct control of focus on LCD/EVF... we haven't to deal with the delicate coupling to RF cam.

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I know a pair of Italian labs who ought to have a certain number of spare female bayonets (by sure I SAW some at one of them last year... most of the "body" type but also a pair of the "Viso II/III type"... slightly different latch I seem to remember...) : do you think is worth I try to contact them ? the slightly differences in thickness maybe are not a great issue... after all, the goal is to have direct control of focus on LCD/EVF... we haven't to deal with the delicate coupling to RF cam.

 

Luigi,

 

I agree on the dimensions. If for example we made the total flange to flange distance 40.9mm, the only effects would be a tiny reduction in the nearest focus distance and that the lens would focus slightly beyond infinity but at least we would be sure of getting to infinity. An error in the other direction of a flange to flange distance of 40.1mm would result in a failure to focus to infinity.

 

Yes please do ask if they would have some bayonets for sale. Amadeo says he can make up the latching arrangements, so probably not important if we have body or Viso bayonets but it is the cam slope springing that worries him. You first have to cut the slot, then undercut the cam slope to free it to move, stretch the sprung slope to widen the slot at the open end and finally machine or grind the throat to ensure it is cylindrical. A lot of operations. If you look inside an M9 bayonet, you will see it is even more complicated with plastic anti vibration pads and hairsprings.

 

Wilson

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