Trying to figure out LR4

[jaapv]

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Despite being PS old school, I am trying to use LR4.

How do I get the program to adopt " Camera Standard" as a default in the camera calibration panel?

[Ecar]

Jaap,

 

This is from memory, as I'm away from my photo processing desktop, but should be about right:

 

Go to an imported dng.

Go to camera calibration in the Develop module.

Select the camera profile you want; you may also adjust other sliders to your taste or to your favourite "neutral" starting point.

 

Then Edit > preferences > presets. Check the relevant items to make your default settings specific to a camera, an ISO, or for all items.

 

Then Develop > set default settings > update to current settings.

 

Now, when importing a dng, those settings will be applied if there's a match.

 

Alternatively, you could apply a Develop preset in batch mode after import.

[Jeff S]

Martin Evening also mentions using the Develop Presets panel to save calibration only presets for each camera profile. You can then roll the mouse over the presets for preview in the navigator or click through the list for a quick preview.

 

I guess you like the look of the camera's JPEG as default rather than Adobe Standard?

 

Jeff

[jaapv]

I find I am always reducing red in the Adobe standard. I don't know about the camera jpg; I shoot DNG only.

[Jeff S]

Camera Standard setting is designed to render colors as close as possible to the camera's JPEG according to Evening.

 

Jeff

[jaapv]

Ah- I see.

[Jim-St]

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Jaap,

 

This is from memory, as I'm away from my photo processing desktop, but should be about right:

 

Go to an imported dng.

Go to camera calibration in the Develop module.

Select the camera profile you want; you may also adjust other sliders to your taste or to your favourite "neutral" starting point.

 

Then Edit > preferences > presets. Check the relevant items to make your default settings specific to a camera, an ISO, or for all items.

 

Then Develop > set default settings > update to current settings.

 

Now, when importing a dng, those settings will be applied if there's a match.

 

Alternatively, you could apply a Develop preset in batch mode after import.

 

 

You can also add the Develop Preset at the point of import. Use the "Apply During Import" Panel (rhs of Import screen) to select the Preset, then add a camera-specific Import Preset (bottom centre of Import screen)

 

In LR4 I've added CA removal as well as camera calibration, now that LR has that fixed (imo). You might (not) want to try that too and see if it works for you

 

These steps mean you can set LR up so you don't really need to think about it again, except to check you have the right Import Preset for the camera you're importing from down there at the bottom of the Import screen

 

Jim

[Guest WPalank]

Jaap, too bad you don't live in the SF Bay Area :

"Lightroom 4 to CS6 Workflow" with William Palank, presented by Leica Camera - SF Photoshop Users Group (San Francisco, CA) - Meetup

 

I'd save a spot for you even though it is sold out at this point.

[hoppyman]

Despite being PS old school, I am trying to use LR4.

How do I get the program to adopt " Camera Standard" as a default in the camera calibration panel?

 

Jaap you would know I'm sure, that the number of camera calibration profiles available varies according to camera model. (a profile is not exactly the same thing as with CaptureOne by the way). High volume camera like Canons might have five or six options (portrait, landscape, neutral etc).

 

For the current LR version and M9 DNGs you would likely only have two choices, Adobe Standard and embedded. So if you want the 'look' that the camera interprets you can choose embedded. That is similar to a default JPG rendering. On the other hand if you have DNGs in your catalog with custom profiles those are always made available for every compatible DNG.

I'll send you one off list if you like

 

Back on having a default, the power and convenience of presets is you can set up any combination of settings for developing that you like. For example capture sharpening, noise reduction, tonal curves, clarity (micro contrast), saturation etc, any develop setting at all actually as well as any adjustments to the standard profiles that you care to make. You can choose to make them ISO and/or camera specific too.

 

LR started out as intended to be more intuitive/straight forward than PS for example but invevitably its capabilities /features have grown and along with that the manuals!

 

The Martin Evening one is hardly smaller than his PS one for photographers but I think its a worthwhile investment if you plan to learn the app well.

[jaapv]

Yes, Geoff, I have been random-reading Martin Evening for some weeks now, but it does not compare yet to a decade of PS.

[archi4]

Jaap, I have had the same problem with excessive red/magenta especially in skin tones and often went to Capture One. It was worse in earlier versions of LR.

I have made many custom LR profiles using Adobe's DNG Profile Editor which is very flexible.

DNG Profiles - Adobe Labs

I have also made "standard" profiles using x-rite camera calibrating software (color checker passport}

which means shooting a MacBeth 24 color chart in daylight and tungsten and then running the software.

X-Rite: Get exactly the color you need, every time, anywhere in the world.

Placing the profiles produced by both methods in

user/library/application support/CameraRaw/CameraProfiles

and they will show up in the dropdown menus both in ACR and LR4

I will be happy to email the many good and not so good profiles for the M9 to anyone interested.

There are too many of them, but maybe one or two are useful

[Jean-Michel]

Hi,You could also use ColorChecker Passport to create profiles for specific lighting situations. I have done so a few times for use with my Canon 5D2, but haven't seen any need to do so for my M9. I use Adobe Standard, oddly enough, I note that in my case the embedded profile shows more red/magenta in skin tones (my display is calibrated weekly). I also purchased the LR video tutorial from Luminous Landscape and found those to be an excellent primer.

Jean-Michel

[hoppyman]

Í would add that a profile made by photographing the approved target in the two measured light conditions and using the Adobe tool is still subject to variation and even if perfect is correct for those two specific scenarios only.

Close and useful probably but not necessarily correct and/or what YOU want your photos to look like. You can though edit any profile to your taste of course.

Sandy McGuffog has some excellent discussion on the complexities of DNG profiles on his blog.

ChromaSoft

[archi4]

Geoff,

You are absolutely right.

The color checker created profiles are also affected by which lens is used.

The Adobe profile editor will provide a profile that for me often is a fine tuning for one image and for one aspect of that image.

That is the reason I have so many profiles!

maurice

[algrove]

Hi,You could also use ColorChecker Passport to create profiles for specific lighting situations. I have done so a few times for use with my Canon 5D2, but haven't seen any need to do so for my M9. I use Adobe Standard, oddly enough, I note that in my case the embedded profile shows more red/magenta in skin tones (my display is calibrated weekly). I also purchased the LR video tutorial from Luminous Landscape and found those to be an excellent primer.

Jean-Michel

 

I also found the Lula LR4 video tutorial excellent.

[Jim-St]

+1 on loading up a couple of camera calibration profiles, and +1 on the LuLa stuff as well.

 

It's one of the relatively few anomalies in the LR layout that Camera Calibration sits down at the bottom RH corner of the Develop module, as when you want to change from your Import Preset (and in my experience it's not that frequent an occurence) you most likely need to do so before setting WB, Exposure, etc

 

The fact that it remains in that obscure location might suggest that the LR team see it as something aside from the "standard" workflow, something to be used in extremis, when your preset-at-import Calibration didn't live up to expectation. So see it maybe as a useful way out when other stuff doesn't work out, not a starting point in your everyday Developmental processing

 

 

Just my thinking....

 

 

Jim

[Rick]

Japp, try the camera profile I set up in this thread. It will be a good starting point for daylight pictures to get the color much better when you're importing. You can save it as a user preset and apply it on import or once developed.http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/digital-post-processing-forum/240952-camera-profile-do-you-use-lightroom.html