IWC Doppel Posted June 18, 2012 Share #41 Posted June 18, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I will post some detailed comparisons of the 35 Summilux AA, the Cron MkIV and the 35mm Summilux ASPH, shortly But... My 35 Summilux ASPH. was simply stunning in Venice, its a wonderful lens, that will be a keeper however good the AA is, a much underrated lens for the M9 IMO Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden!Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden!Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! tappan, Monochrome_Man and B-A-C 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted November 11, 2020 Share #42 Posted November 11, 2020 On 6/19/2012 at 12:21 AM, IWC Doppel said: I will post some detailed comparisons of the 35 Summilux AA, the Cron MkIV and the 35mm Summilux ASPH, shortly But... My 35 Summilux ASPH. was simply stunning in Venice, its a wonderful lens, that will be a keeper however good the AA is, a much underrated lens for the M9 IMO Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! What happened to the comparison ?! 😂😂😜😜 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted November 18, 2020 Share #43 Posted November 18, 2020 Well I needed up keeping the AA and the Mk IV but selling my APSH. The AA is just that little bit better particularly the bokeh and 3D qualities. There will have been a post or two somewhere ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcorton Posted November 19, 2020 Share #44 Posted November 19, 2020 Hey bokeh lovers. May I try to clear up what I understand to be a misconception about the “King of Bokeh”? I understood from Mike Johnson’s old article in Photo Techniques (that I think first introduced the term and concept of “bokeh” to the English-speaking audience) that the magic of v 4 never was about it’s out of focus performance wide open. Its bokeh at f/2 or f/4 really isn’t that great. Rather, the magic happens further stopped down. At say, f/8, the transition between out of focus and focused is creamy, delectable, and truly something special. Oof areas hang together beautifully and seem of a piece with the truly detailed in-focus elements. I understood that it was this character that earned the v4 summicron its “king” moniker. Just sayin’. (Note too however that even Mr. Johnson has later said that the v4 isn’t the lens he would crown “king” nowadays.) There. I feel better now. JoeLeica 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted November 19, 2020 Share #45 Posted November 19, 2020 6 hours ago, bcorton said: Hey bokeh lovers. May I try to clear up what I understand to be a misconception about the “King of Bokeh”? I understood from Mike Johnson’s old article in Photo Techniques (that I think first introduced the term and concept of “bokeh” to the English-speaking audience) that the magic of v 4 never was about it’s out of focus performance wide open. Its bokeh at f/2 or f/4 really isn’t that great. Rather, the magic happens further stopped down. At say, f/8, the transition between out of focus and focused is creamy, delectable, and truly something special. Oof areas hang together beautifully and seem of a piece with the truly detailed in-focus elements. I understood that it was this character that earned the v4 summicron its “king” moniker. Just sayin’. (Note too however that even Mr. Johnson has later said that the v4 isn’t the lens he would crown “king” nowadays.) There. I feel better now. I had read that too, and fair enough, the v4 is not the king of bokeh. But the v4 still is an amazing lens. The eternal question: which should I get, the V4 or the V5/6? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted November 19, 2020 Share #46 Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Steven said: I had read that too, and fair enough, the v4 is not the king of bokeh. But the v4 still is an amazing lens. The eternal question: which should I get, the V4 or the V5/6? Get V4 chrome version -- 11311. You might change your thoughts if you look deeper. Check my album and figure out the bokeh difference between the different apertures. When this lens stops down from f2 to f2.4, f2.8, f3.4, f4, f5.6, f6,8, or even f8, the bokeh alter dramatically alone with different distances. The following photos demonstrated a good color and a bit silky effect at the back ground @f6,8. Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hallo Gast! Du willst die Bilder sehen? Einfach registrieren oder anmelden! Edited November 19, 2020 by Erato Stein K S 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted November 19, 2020 Share #47 Posted November 19, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Its already difficult to find a black one, but a chrome one you say ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted November 19, 2020 Share #48 Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Steven said: Its already difficult to find a black one, but a chrome one you say ! Here you are. Looks like ideal one but the price is outrages! The price is much higher from mine. https://tw.bid.yahoo.com/item/收藏級-LEICA-萊卡-SUMMICRON-M-35-2-35mm-F2-E39-德國-100807933335 Approximately 5,330 EURO. Edited November 19, 2020 by Erato adding more details for further ref. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted November 19, 2020 Share #49 Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) https://jipvankuijk.nl/leica-summicron-m-35mm-f2-asph/ I have a chrome one and it's amazing. Had a black one before, equally amazing. 🤣 Edited November 19, 2020 by jip Erato 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted November 19, 2020 Share #50 Posted November 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Erato said: Here you are. Looks like ideal one but the price is outrages! https://tw.bid.yahoo.com/item/收藏級-LEICA-萊卡-SUMMICRON-M-35-2-35mm-F2-E39-德國-100807933335 Approximately 5,330 EURO. link not working. better this way ! the black version at the Leica shop is 1900 right now. But its the Canadian version. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted November 19, 2020 Share #51 Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Steven said: link not working. better this way ! the black version at the Leica shop is 1900 right now. But its the Canadian version. Well, from optical perspective, it's a great deal for you. Edited November 19, 2020 by Erato Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted November 19, 2020 Share #52 Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, Erato said: Well, optically, is a great deal. For 2,2k I can have a brand new 35 cron ASPH, the current version with 11 blades, in beautiful chrome, mint condition. Tough call. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted November 19, 2020 Share #53 Posted November 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Steven said: For 2,2k I can have a brand new 35 cron ASPH, the current version with 11 blades, in beautiful chrome, mint condition. Tough call. lol, get both! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted November 19, 2020 Share #54 Posted November 19, 2020 Just now, Erato said: lol, get both! That would be 5 35mms, a bit too much Erato 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted November 19, 2020 Share #55 Posted November 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Steven said: That would be 5 35mms, a bit too much Negotiate with the dealer, pay rental, loan these lenses for a week or two and then you can make the call. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted November 19, 2020 Share #56 Posted November 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Erato said: Negotiate with the dealer, pay rental, loan these lenses for a week or two and then you can make the call. I have already tried both. I like them both. I have a slight preference for the v6, but the v4 is very vintage with its swirley bokeh. owning the Lux pre fle , I fear that the cron might not be very different at equivalent apertures... the v4 would be. But I don’t like it’s look and feel. therefore I hesitate. Erato 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erato Posted November 19, 2020 Share #57 Posted November 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Steven said: I have already tried both. I like them both. I have a slight preference for the v6, but the v4 is very vintage with its swirley bokeh. owning the Lux pre fle , I fear that the cron might not be very different at equivalent apertures... the v4 would be. But I don’t like it’s look and feel. therefore I hesitate. There're pros and cons for every and each lenses. Follow your heart and pick the one you like the most. What is the ideal lens? It could be the next lens, always. And, what would be the best lens at the moment? The lens already in your hands. evikne 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcorton Posted November 19, 2020 Share #58 Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Steven said: I had read that too, and fair enough, the v4 is not the king of bokeh. But the v4 still is an amazing lens. The eternal question: which should I get, the V4 or the V5/6? Hi Steven, Please don't misunderstand me. I've had the v4 since 1997 -- just before the current bokeh train left the station -- and I love it. And I do not object to its coronation as "king." I was only trying to point out that many folks seem to think that bokeh is only what happens in a lens at full aperture, or near it, and default to comparing all lenses wide open. In the case of the v4, I think that is misguided or misinformed, as what makes the bokeh of this lens special is the way the lens renders stopped down some. Brent Edited November 19, 2020 by bcorton Erato 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 19, 2020 Share #59 Posted November 19, 2020 13 hours ago, bcorton said: Hey bokeh lovers. May I try to clear up what I understand to be a misconception about the “King of Bokeh”? I understood from Mike Johnson’s old article in Photo Techniques (that I think first introduced the term and concept of “bokeh” to the English-speaking audience) that the magic of v 4 never was about it’s out of focus performance wide open. Its bokeh at f/2 or f/4 really isn’t that great. Rather, the magic happens further stopped down. At say, f/8, the transition between out of focus and focused is creamy, delectable, and truly something special. Oof areas hang together beautifully and seem of a piece with the truly detailed in-focus elements. I understood that it was this character that earned the v4 summicron its “king” moniker. Just sayin’. (Note too however that even Mr. Johnson has later said that the v4 isn’t the lens he would crown “king” nowadays.) There. I feel better now. More specifically he later clarified that it had nice and coherent out-of-focus blur at small apertures and middle distances, but sucked at wider apertures and close-in. Mike’s online TOP site has various recounts on this topic as well as the background on the origins of the bokeh spelling. Easy to do a general search or a search from TOP. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted November 19, 2020 Share #60 Posted November 19, 2020 Do you guys think it makes sense to own a Lux fLE and a Cron ASPH (current), or does the FLE cover everything that the Cron can do ? Basically, at F2 and above, do they look different ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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