jaapv Posted March 11, 2012 Share #21  Posted March 11, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does anyone know please whether the quieter shutter is actually a completely different mechanism, or just a tweaked refinement? I don't think Leica ever clarified this. Is the M9 shutter identical to the M8-2 or would it need to be different in any way? How do the M9 frame-lines compare to the original M8 or M8-2? Are they set somewhere in between? I'm more interested in comparisons made from actual use rather that their setting being 0.7, 1.0 or 2.0 metres or whatever they are.  Thanks. The shutter is basically the same, but runs at a lower curtain speed. For 1/8000 the slit would have become too narrow, causing diffraction, so they had to lower to 1/4000 and the sync went down to 1/180 for the same reason. The M9 framelines are back to accurate at 1 m. However, due to the larger sensor size I think, the discrepancy seems to be less pronounced as complaints are few and far between.This runs parallel to all film Ms having their framelines accurate at shortest focussing distance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted March 11, 2012 Posted March 11, 2012 Hi jaapv, Take a look here M8 vs M8.2 Reliability. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
JGW Posted March 11, 2012 Share #22 Â Posted March 11, 2012 Thanks Jaap. Therefore it seems to me then that when sending back an original M8 for the shutter upgrade no 'new shutter' is installed. The same shutter is retained but adjusted i.e.'slowed down' resulting in the quieter operation? I always thought it odd that a Leica M user would prefer a top faster shutter speed option to the loss of the traditional quieter operation; I think the reason being that Leica wanted to rush release a digital M to keep with the pace of other camera manufacturers, and it was the only shutter they had usable to them at that time. The quieter 'slowed down' derivative would have also 'slowed down' the release date. J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 11, 2012 Share #23 Â Posted March 11, 2012 No - you get a new shutter unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Jayant Posted March 18, 2012 Share #24 Â Posted March 18, 2012 I did not say it wasn't relevant to me; in fact my M8 is one I had upgraded. But I do not think it qualifies the M8.2 to be regarded as a different model. Â Â Since I upgraded my Broken M8 to M8 .2u I find if quite different than M8 . Accurate frame line is the important issue.With Silent shutter and most of the features any one can say IT IS DIFFERENT THAN M8 OF COURSE. Â I have a peace of mind too about this more robust 1/4000th in M8-u than the M8's 1/8000 speed fragile shutter. Â I think lot of people don't admit and understand why Leica had to change M8s original function- mainly the slower shutter and upgrade M8-2 to up bring its reliability and keep the concept better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 18, 2012 Share #25 Â Posted March 18, 2012 i'm glad you're happy with the upgrade, but there is no significant difference in shutter reliability. In fact both are quite robust, with the fewer complaints in this forum about the 1/800 shutter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Black Posted March 19, 2012 Share #26 Â Posted March 19, 2012 Just wondering,as i think its the best place to ask, what would be the value of a second hand M8 at the present time? Â ps-i hope its ok to ask here, if not i apologise ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 21, 2012 Share #27 Â Posted March 21, 2012 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've saved you the trouble of one click to the buy/sell section of the forum here. Â Researching dealers of course requires a bit more work. Variations exist by condition, by location, whether camera has any upgrades, or often for no apparent reason. I prefer the dealer route for warranty and follow-up as needed. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Black Posted March 21, 2012 Share #28  Posted March 21, 2012 I've saved you the trouble of one click to the buy/sell section of the forum here. Researching dealers of course requires a bit more work. Variations exist by condition, by location, whether camera has any upgrades, or often for no apparent reason. I prefer the dealer route for warranty and follow-up as needed.  Jeff   actually you did not save me any trouble  I always research before i ask...  When researching i come to a variety of diferent prices....  i am not buying by the way...i am selling  So no better way, after having the trouble you mention in research, to ask Leica M8 users how do they value their camera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 21, 2012 Share #29 Â Posted March 21, 2012 Â When researching i come to a variety of diferent prices.... Â And that's your answer. You'll get more of the same by asking here. Funny how that works. Â BTW, it's not what owners (sellers) think, it's what buyers will pay (or have recently paid). Two different questions, appropriate for two different audiences. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Black Posted March 21, 2012 Share #30  Posted March 21, 2012 And that's your answer. You'll get more of the same by asking here. Funny how that works. BTW, it's not what owners (sellers) think, it's what buyers will pay (or have recently paid). Two different questions, appropriate for two different audiences.  Jeff   Jeff  Save your irony and your knowledge to yourself...  I guess you suffer from forum sindrome, thats ok but save it to yourself...  I do not know you, so i will assume that the arrogance and lack of politeness was just a slip of the mind....  Next time,in a similar situation try to ignore what someone asks, with a open heart,in place of trying to look good on a web forum.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 22, 2012 Share #31  Posted March 22, 2012 Or perhaps the reason others haven't flocked here to give you another response is that the one I gave you was serious and answered your question appropriately.  If you want to price your house for sale, do you ask other owners what they think their house is worth, or do you check comparable properties in the market that have recently sold?  Now that you mention politeness, I suggest you re- read my last post in the light it was intended, then consider your own.  Jeff  PS It's more polite to start your own thread than to hijack someone else's with an OT question. And even more polite to not criticize the one person who takes the time to answer you. Forum etiquette 101. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 22, 2012 Share #32 Â Posted March 22, 2012 ...would be the value of a second hand M8 at the present time?... Difficult to generalize. Say around 2000/3000 USD for the M8 and about 30% more for the M8.2 or a fully updated M8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 22, 2012 Share #33 Â Posted March 22, 2012 Exactly. When I researched reputable dealers for a used M8.2 last year, I found differences exceeding $1000 for seemingly identical cameras, and identical warranties. That's the problem with these questions. The questioner wants a simple answer; there isn't one. The price a buyer will pay is its exact value. Finding that buyer, and being willing to wait if the price is set high, is up to the seller. Â Now let's return the thread to the OP. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Black Posted March 22, 2012 Share #34  Posted March 22, 2012 Difficult to generalize. Say around 2000/3000 USD for the M8 and about 30% more for the M8.2 or a fully updated M8  Thank you very much Lct  The main reason who lead me to ask here, besides the knowledge of Leica users in this forum, was that i also saw prices varying around those numbers...  I saw one on the auction site that we do not talk about for around 3000 and mine is in a much better condition (much better) body wise  Also come with a new sensor and Leica warranty...  I value it myself around 3000 us for that reason, but before i put to sell i wanted to have the feel that i was not aiming to high  If i can get that price my 8 will become a 9  Best regards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted March 22, 2012 Share #35 Â Posted March 22, 2012 It could even go ahead with Leica warranty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 22, 2012 Share #36 Â Posted March 22, 2012 FWIW, lct never said how he would value his camera. He said, based on what he's seen, that prices are subjective and can range up to $1000 apart for an M8 (or M8.2). Exactly as did I. Two messengers, one ignored, with same message. Â The research the questioner did before posting here should have easily revealed the same differential. And, as I said, it's up to the seller to determine if setting the price high is wise. There is little correlation between condition, warranty and price...even between similarly reputable dealers...as my research clearly showed. I bought a mint M8.2 with warranty for $3400, while a lesser condition one was on sale at another dealer for $4500. Checking auction prices only adds to the disparity. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Black Posted March 22, 2012 Share #37 Â Posted March 22, 2012 It could even go ahead with Leica warranty. Â Â Thats my hope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUYG Posted April 9, 2012 Share #38 Â Posted April 9, 2012 Hi, I just know that M8 and M9 have same curtain. Almost the only moving part of the camera except focusing parts maybe... So I think they are almost same things that trusting an any kind of M digital body or not trusting any of them. -best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWC Doppel Posted April 17, 2012 Share #39  Posted April 17, 2012 Does anyone know please whether the quieter shutter is actually a completely different mechanism, or just a tweaked refinement? I don't think Leica ever clarified this. Is the M9 shutter identical to the M8-2 or would it need to be different in any way? How do the M9 frame-lines compare to the original M8 or M8-2? Are they set somewhere in between? I'm more interested in comparisons made from actual use rather that their setting being 0.7, 1.0 or 2.0 metres or whatever they are.  Thanks.  Yes interested in this too, looking to buy an M9-P in May, currently using an M8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted April 17, 2012 Share #40 Â Posted April 17, 2012 All digital M shutters are basically the same Copal shutter in various configurations, and are a derivate of the R8/R9 shutter by Copal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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