vdb Posted October 30, 2011 Share #1 Posted October 30, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) 35 cron 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 30, 2011 Posted October 30, 2011 Hi vdb, Take a look here Occupy Valparasio (Indiana). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Alberti Posted October 30, 2011 Share #2 Posted October 30, 2011 Interesting. Is this man convincing? Not too much, with the coffee in the hand and the faint smile. The low angle projects the man, but it does not go in hand with a look at the horizon (that would be good from a formal composition). So this reduces his trustworthiness. And the message is quite obscure, as this is what the large corporates have strived for for ages - no government mingling in business. This means there is incongruity. Such layers make a great picture! albert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauledell Posted October 30, 2011 Share #3 Posted October 30, 2011 Virgil, This guy looks like one of the group taking over Headwaters Park in Fort Wayne. You don't suppose this is a traveling road show? I don't have a problem with people exercising their right to free speech, but these people are getting a free ride at the expense of the taxpaying citizens. In Fort Wayne, they don't have to pay the fees that other groups pay to have any event.(a sizable amount). Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmyjoe Posted October 30, 2011 Share #4 Posted October 30, 2011 Thanks for the smile Virgil. You had me at "Occupy Valparasio" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmolinski Posted October 30, 2011 Share #5 Posted October 30, 2011 That's a statement. Good shot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdb Posted October 31, 2011 Author Share #6 Posted October 31, 2011 Albert, my feelings exactly. His heart isn't in it. Thanks guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted October 31, 2011 Share #7 Posted October 31, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Virgil, This guy looks like one of the group taking over Headwaters Park in Fort Wayne. You don't suppose this is a traveling road show? I don't have a problem with people exercising their right to free speech, but these people are getting a free ride at the expense of the taxpaying citizens. In Fort Wayne, they don't have to pay the fees that other groups pay to have any event.(a sizable amount). Paul Paul, so you believe citizens should have to "PAY" to exercise their rights to assemble & to speak! Some freedom that is. Civil assembly & disobedience are the real watchdogs of our rights & freedoms. Would you want to allow only people that can pay, to be allowed to vote? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauledell Posted October 31, 2011 Share #8 Posted October 31, 2011 Paul, so you believe citizens should have to "PAY" to exercise their rights to assemble & to speak! Some freedom that is. Civil assembly & disobedience are the real watchdogs of our rights & freedoms. Would you want to allow only people that can pay, to be allowed to vote? Ben, You missed my point. In an ideal world, no one should have to pay to use public services that we already support with our tax dollars. And that includes EVERYONE. However, if the Allen County Society For The Prevention For The Cruelty To Animals wants to have an event at Headwaters Park, they have to pay five hundred dollars for a permit and provide a million dollar insurance guarantee in order to have it while the demonstrator have been exempted from any fees. All I'm saying is that if that is the rule for one organization, it ought to be the same for all others. Besides, the demonstrators in Fort Wayne seem to be getting financial aid from somewhere. Again, I have no problem with demonstrations as long as they obey the same laws that I have to. I will say that in Fort Wayne, there has been no violations of law and they have been civil. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roguewave Posted November 1, 2011 Share #9 Posted November 1, 2011 Ben,You missed my point. In an ideal world, no one should have to pay to use public services that we already support with our tax dollars. And that includes EVERYONE. However, if the Allen County Society For The Prevention For The Cruelty To Animals wants to have an event at Headwaters Park, they have to pay five hundred dollars for a permit and provide a million dollar insurance guarantee in order to have it while the demonstrator have been exempted from any fees. All I'm saying is that if that is the rule for one organization, it ought to be the same for all others. Besides, the demonstrators in Fort Wayne seem to be getting financial aid from somewhere. Again, I have no problem with demonstrations as long as they obey the same laws that I have to. I will say that in Fort Wayne, there has been no violations of law and they have been civil. Paul I think you are missing the point. Because it's public lands we are talking about, not private. It should be free and if your local government puts too much of an onus on public use & access, then do something about it. That should be illegal. Since the PUBLIC is paying for it, it should have the right to FREE assembly & I mean free in every sense of the word. Just imagine if our founding fathers needed to get a paid permit to assemble in Boston to defy corrupt & onerous taxes & restrictions. Do you think they should have filed for a permit? Or maybe all the mothers that lost their teenage sons in Vietnam should have gotten permits before demonstrating against the War in Vietnam. Or that Martin Luther King should have gotten written permission to walk the streets of Selma. This taking sides with unseen & unknown "public interest" is exactly what OWS & others are so outraged about. Moneyed interests wedded with corrupt business & government officials using every means to limit access & over reaching to make it difficult unless you pay to play. The OWS scene in NYC is a perfect example. Brookfield Properties, one of largest & most profitable real estate companies (they now manage almost all of the World Financial Center & are 1st in line to manage the new World Trade Center Tower) wanted to build a world HQ & so they made a deal to create a "public space" (Zuccotti Park), but the deed is murky in that it still allows Brookfield the rights as if they owned the space. What it comes down to is that governments are increasingly taking rights away from citizens & then telling them that it's in their best interests, which is obviously not the case. If you think Big Brother know best, well that's your right. Worldwide we are seeing the effects of human frailty & fallibility. I don't want to say that everyone in the financial sector is lying, but it's pretty much a rigged game from where I sit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberti Posted November 1, 2011 Share #10 Posted November 1, 2011 We must not hijack the thread - - - It looks like a clash of cultures - I think we see a new wave. I have read the 'pamflet' for standing up (sold over 5 mio copies?) by Stéphane Hessel, it is used to refer nowadays in Europe to these people, called the 'Indignés', those who are todays' protest generation. And yes it is a grass roots movement, so typical of the America's. Rogue I see you get that point, look like indignified yourself, for a good reason. It is hard to grab that in images, [sorry vdb, not personal] we need Magnum-style photographers to create an icon albert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauledell Posted November 1, 2011 Share #11 Posted November 1, 2011 I think you are missing the point. Because it's public lands we are talking about, not private. It should be free and if your local government puts too much of an onus on public use & access, then do something about it. That should be illegal. Since the PUBLIC is paying for it, it should have the right to FREE assembly & I mean free in every sense of the word. Just imagine if our founding fathers needed to get a paid permit to assemble in Boston to defy corrupt & onerous taxes & restrictions. Do you think they should have filed for a permit? Or maybe all the mothers that lost their teenage sons in Vietnam should have gotten permits before demonstrating against the War in Vietnam. Or that Martin Luther King should have gotten written permission to walk the streets of Selma. This taking sides with unseen & unknown "public interest" is exactly what OWS & others are so outraged about. Moneyed interests wedded with corrupt business & government officials using every means to limit access & over reaching to make it difficult unless you pay to play. The OWS scene in NYC is a perfect example. Brookfield Properties, one of largest & most profitable real estate companies (they now manage almost all of the World Financial Center & are 1st in line to manage the new World Trade Center Tower) wanted to build a world HQ & so they made a deal to create a "public space" (Zuccotti Park), but the deed is murky in that it still allows Brookfield the rights as if they owned the space. What it comes down to is that governments are increasingly taking rights away from citizens & then telling them that it's in their best interests, which is obviously not the case. If you think Big Brother know best, well that's your right. Worldwide we are seeing the effects of human frailty & fallibility. I don't want to say that everyone in the financial sector is lying, but it's pretty much a rigged game from where I sit. Ben, I have to agree with most of what you say. Big government with their rules and regulations about everything are stifling to everyone except themselves. With the excessive taxes and fees, the average person has less and less to work with. And you are right about this being a rigged game. I worked for General Electric Co. for over 38 years and I consider them as one of the leading problems. (Very little did they pay in corporate income taxes last year). At that, I will try to make this a photo forum and get off my socio-political soapbox and get back to the business at hand, looking at the fine photography instead of getting off the track. Have a fine day and capture many lovely scenes. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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