dave.gt Posted October 27, 2011 Share #1 Posted October 27, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) The three cameras represent different price points for me. Am considering the X1 but would like to see an image from an X1 compared to the M8 and/or M9 same image, same exposure, same time-frame. I am looking for differences and character in the images. Since the X1 has an equivalent 35mm lens, then, an image from the M-body with a 35mm lens would be the best comparison. If anyone can assist with this request, it would be greatly appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Hi dave.gt, Take a look here A Request-X1 image compared to M8/M9. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
bill Posted October 28, 2011 Share #2 Posted October 28, 2011 Dave, seriously, one image displayed on the web will not tell you anything. "Shop around", use Flickr, etc. Look at a variety of images. What you will find is that it is not all about the focal length, but about the glass, the firmware, the sensor... and the photographer. You are not just looking to compare cameras at three different price points, but at three different stages of evolution in two different design paradigms. They are easy to rank - on paper, the M9 will deliver the best results, followed by the M8 (both glass depending) and then the X1. But I have seen exceptional images "captured" by the X1 and dross "delivered" with the M9... Oh, and bear in mind that the M8 crop factor introduces another variable. ...I'm not helping much, I fear, but I don't think you will get what you want from the question you have asked. Regards, Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.gt Posted October 30, 2011 Author Share #3 Posted October 30, 2011 Dave, seriously, one image displayed on the web will not tell you anything. "Shop around", use Flickr, etc. Look at a variety of images. What you will find is that it is not all about the focal length, but about the glass, the firmware, the sensor... and the photographer. You are not just looking to compare cameras at three different price points, but at three different stages of evolution in two different design paradigms. They are easy to rank - on paper, the M9 will deliver the best results, followed by the M8 (both glass depending) and then the X1. But I have seen exceptional images "captured" by the X1 and dross "delivered" with the M9... Oh, and bear in mind that the M8 crop factor introduces another variable. ...I'm not helping much, I fear, but I don't think you will get what you want from the question you have asked. Regards, Bill Well, thanks, but I need to see at least an image with the M9 and a Lux lens compared with the X1...same image, same exposure as nearly as possible. There are too many variables looking at Flickr and such...different conditions, different photographer styles, etc. I am trying to identify the character of each. I would settle for an M8 + Lux compared with the X1 under the same situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted October 30, 2011 Share #4 Posted October 30, 2011 I have to say that I feel Bill is right - in essence you're not comparing like with like, and to try to see what will be subtle differences on a web display....?? Are you going to ask for Summiluxes to be used at f2.8, presuming that the X-1 lens perfoms best at that aperture? Are you going to compare only the centre of an image to allow for the X-1 1.5x crop factor vs the M8 1.33x? If you're looking to purchase, then let your budget be your guide. The X-1 IMHO is capable of shooting far above its "weight", the M8/8.2 is by no means "out-of-date", and the M9 is, well .... , the M9. The latter two are of course dependant on the chosen lens, you're stuck with the X-1's Elmarit, good though it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 30, 2011 Share #5 Posted October 30, 2011 An M with a Summilux lens is completely different, and you'd buy a Summilux because you need f1.4. Overall the M will give better results, it should do given the price differential, and more flexibility of course. The only real way to judge which is best for you is to find a dealer and try them yourself - bring a card and shoot a few test shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 30, 2011 Share #6 Posted October 30, 2011 The three cameras represent different price points for me. Am considering the X1 but would like to see an image from an X1 compared to the M8 and/or M9 same image, same exposure, same time-frame. I am looking for differences and character in the images. Since the X1 has an equivalent 35mm lens, then, an image from the M-body with a 35mm lens would be the best comparison. If anyone can assist with this request, it would be greatly appreciated. Dave, Go to your Leica dealer agent and ask him to leave you a moment with the M9. And then compare with the X1 I did this test with my M9 + 50mm Summilux asph vs X1 and the conclusion I let you guess ! Best Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.gt Posted October 30, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted October 30, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Folks, sorry, but there is NO dealer of Leica cameras in Atlanta, Georgia. THAT is why I am asking if anyone out there will oblige a simple request. Yes, I want to see the images on a monitor. I cannot afford an M9. Not sure I can afford an M8 at $2000+, but I just may be able to swing an X1 from Adorama in New York for $1400 in a few months. If I can at least see the same image made by both cameras on my monitor, then I can decide whether or not to pursue an X1 or not. I don't have the fortunate position most have by just purchasing a camera and sending it back or selling it. There is no possible way to see an actual Leica camera of any sorts with a two-day drive from Atlanta! Sorry, but that is reality. I use my M3 and R4 professionally as a documentary photographer. I can see a possibility of using the X1. Surely there is someone that has both an M-body with a 35 mm lens and an X1 who can take a few test shots? That is all I ask, but if no one is willing then, please pardon my request. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezc203 Posted October 30, 2011 Share #8 Posted October 30, 2011 If you want to use the X1 in any photojournalistic capacity, you'll have to understand it's limitations. Given what you said, the X1 might be a bit "slow" for your purposes. Also, if you really want to see good image comparisons, a quick trip around Flickr will provide you with more than enough images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted October 30, 2011 Share #9 Posted October 30, 2011 Maybe no one owns both an X1 and M?? On the other hand if you asked for photos of both cameras with brown leather cases I suspect you'd be inundated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted October 30, 2011 Share #10 Posted October 30, 2011 I have the three bodies you define but no Summilux. So can't answer directly. If you do documentary photography you will see the advantages of a system camera which gives much flexibility. The X1 is a far different camera designed to meet a different requirement. I use mine solo (when photography is limited) and in partnership with an M camera. They work well together. If I had to travel with least encumbrance I would not hesitate to take just the X1. Handled thoughtfully and intelligently it is more than capable of helping you produce good documentary sets of pictures. From your post #7, it seems financial constraints limit your purchase to an X1 only. If that is so, go for it and master its idiosynchrasies. You will not be disappointed. But don't expect it to be a cheaper substitute for a Summilux lens in low light! However, you can always use a small light tripod while travelling to shoot in difficult lighting conditions. It is a great little camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted October 30, 2011 Share #11 Posted October 30, 2011 I can only agree with David. I would add that it is no slouch at low-light performance. Take the trouble to set and use the manual focus and any restriction on Af speed vanishes. Oh, and I own both an X-1 and an M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Henry Posted October 31, 2011 Share #12 Posted October 31, 2011 Thanks David for the link M9 vs X1 Very nice pictures ! @David gt i sent you a MP Henry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.gt Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share #13 Posted November 2, 2011 Thanks David for the link M9 vs X1Very nice pictures ! @David gt i sent you a MP Henry Hi, Henry...got it and responded! Thanks so much! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.gt Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted November 2, 2011 Maybe no one owns both an X1 and M?? On the other hand if you asked for photos of both cameras with brown leather cases I suspect you'd be inundated Oh, man...don't even mention BAGS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.gt Posted November 2, 2011 Author Share #15 Posted November 2, 2011 David, I just checked your website and love your work. The X1 does look like it will do very well for architectural work which is similar to the small town documentaries I currently have been working on this year. Did you use a tripod for the architectural images? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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