Ozkar Posted October 27, 2011 Share #21 Posted October 27, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) Many have waxed lyrical about the qualities over the Summicron. I agree that it is a wonderful lens. So is the Elmarit. In my experience, the key difference between them is one stop. I saw no difference in contrast nor rendering. Since you own both, it would be great if you could post comparison shots taken with both lenses to show these differences. Even better, don't label them and ask the forum to choose. A picture or two is worth a thousand words. I have both. My subjective observations, in a nutshell:- Elmarit: higher contrast (may be wrongly confused with higher sharpness), size a bonus for travel/street photography - Summicron: smoother rendering, more 3D-like (that's hard to explain, but is visible on prints), one-stop advantage an obvious benefit if/when you need it. Both lenses saw a lot of usage on the M8, now less so. If it wasn't so difficult for me to part with lenses, I should probably sell one. In that case, the Elmarit would be the keeper, but that would be only based on my expected primary use for that focal length i.e., street. If I were to do landscape/architecture, I'd go for the Summicron. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Hi Ozkar, Take a look here 28mm f2.8 ASPH vs f2 ASPH ???. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
lct Posted October 27, 2011 Share #22 Posted October 27, 2011 ...Lens-Hood of the Summicron would put me off... There are two other ones at Leica's the plastic vented hood # 12589 (1st pic) and the superb but expensive vented metal hood # 12466 (2nd pic). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/164964-28mm-f28-asph-vs-f2-asph/?do=findComment&comment=1828367'>More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 28, 2011 Share #23 Posted October 28, 2011 There are two other ones at Leica's the plastic vented hood # 12589 (1st pic) and the superb but expensive vented metal hood # 12466 (2nd pic). I splurged on the metal vented hood which now permanantly lives on the lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted October 28, 2011 Share #24 Posted October 28, 2011 - Summicron: smoother rendering, more 3D-like (that's hard to explain, but is visible on prints), one-stop advantage an obvious benefit if/when you need it. It's interesting that the lens' "special"qualities really do seem to be there for some of us but are very hard to describe. I agree that it really shows in the print. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 28, 2011 Share #25 Posted October 28, 2011 I splurged on the metal vented hood which now permanantly lives on the lens. +1 I liked it so much, I bought a similar one for my 35/2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 28, 2011 Share #26 Posted October 28, 2011 I splurged on the metal vented hood which now permanantly lives on the lens. Me too. It felt extravagant at the time but I'm very happy with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted October 28, 2011 Share #27 Posted October 28, 2011 Advertisement (gone after registration) The metal hood only fits the Summcron and the old non-ASPH Elmarit? Would love if it could fit the new 28mm Elmarit ASPH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 28, 2011 Share #28 Posted October 28, 2011 The metal hood only fits the Summcron and the old non-ASPH Elmarit? According to ad copy from Popflash... "DESIGNED FOR LEICA SUMMILUX-M 35MM F/1.4 ASPH. LENSES (#11874 AND #11883) DESIGNED FOR LEICA SUMICRON-M 28MM F/2 ASPH. LENSES (#11604 AND #11661) DESIGNED FOR LEICA ELMARIT-M 28MM F/2.8 LENS (#11809) LENS HOOD #12466 CANNOT BE USED WITH THE NEW 35MM F/1.4 ASPH LENS #11663 OR THE 28MM F/2.8 ASPH. #11606" For retail price over $400, it ought to fit every lens ever made. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 28, 2011 Share #29 Posted October 28, 2011 For retail price over $400, it ought to fit every lens ever made. Jeff :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted October 28, 2011 Share #30 Posted October 28, 2011 Many have waxed lyrical about the qualities over the Summicron. I agree that it is a wonderful lens. So is the Elmarit. In my experience, the key difference between them is one stop. I saw no difference in contrast nor rendering. Since you own both, it would be great if you could post comparison shots taken with both lenses to show these differences. Even better, don't label them and ask the forum to choose. A picture or two is worth a thousand words. Of course, you are right Ozkar - unfortunately I'm currently away from home, with no access to either unprocessed raw files or the lenses themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalArts 99 Posted October 28, 2011 Share #31 Posted October 28, 2011 Both lenses are excellent lenses. Both have some obvious quantitative differences: 1) aperture 2) physical size. And both have some qualitative nuanced differences in the way they render an image (which is subjective.) But using either one will not make or break the quality of your work. There are thousands of bad photographs made using very expensive lenses and an equal number made on less expensive lenses. Maybe try not to get too hung up on the tools themselves so much and just put your own skills and best effort into your work. Buy either lens based on your own needs/choice/intuition and then go make good images that won't end up in the digital wasteland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted November 7, 2011 Author Share #32 Posted November 7, 2011 Thanks all In the final analysis I went for the 28mm f2.8 elmarit asph I basically liked the slightly extra contrast (for overcast days) but mostly the marginally less distortion on the elmarit as I will be using it for landscapes and architecture. I would have preferred f2, but am comfortable loosing the extra stop as indoors I am comfortable with higher ISo on the m9 when I need it I was fortunate , I came across both second hand , but mint and the summicron only three months old (£2,100), the elmarit only one month (£1145) Fingers crossed, coming tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted November 7, 2011 Share #33 Posted November 7, 2011 Wise choice..... I would have made my decision entirely on how much cash I had and the physical size of the lens. Optical qualitative differences between most of the current Leica lenses are minuscule and very subjective....... In 95% of situations you would be hard pressed to tell the difference.... I'm afraid we all spend too much time anguishing about the capabilities of our equipment and not enough time actually taking pictures.... If I had any sense I would follow the Overgaard philosophy and stick a limited range of lenses and apertures and snap, snap, snap, snap, snap, snap......... Instead of talking and thinking about it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted November 7, 2011 Share #34 Posted November 7, 2011 I couldn't agree more. I have owned both lenses and from f2.8 there is no discernible difference in rendering (including contrast) between these lenses. I have yet to see a comparison between these lenses showing these differences that are so often touted. Wise choice..... I would have made my decision entirely on how much cash I had and the physical size of the lens. Optical qualitative differences between most of the current Leica lenses are minuscule and very subjective....... In 95% of situations you would be hard pressed to tell the difference.... I'm afraid we all spend too much time anguishing about the capabilities of our equipment and not enough time actually taking pictures.... If I had any sense I would follow the Overgaard philosophy and stick a limited range of lenses and apertures and snap, snap, snap, snap, snap, snap......... Instead of talking and thinking about it... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozkar Posted November 7, 2011 Share #35 Posted November 7, 2011 I agree on points 1 and 2, the Summicron is faster and much larger. But from f2.8, the rendering of these two lenses is so close that you will be hard pressed to tell one from the other. Both lenses are excellent lenses. Both have some obvious quantitative differences: 1) aperture 2) physical size. And both have some qualitative nuanced differences in the way they render an image (which is subjective.) But using either one will not make or break the quality of your work. There are thousands of bad photographs made using very expensive lenses and an equal number made on less expensive lenses. Maybe try not to get too hung up on the tools themselves so much and just put your own skills and best effort into your work. Buy either lens based on your own needs/choice/intuition and then go make good images that won't end up in the digital wasteland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted November 8, 2011 Author Share #36 Posted November 8, 2011 Wise choice..... I would have made my decision entirely on how much cash I had and the physical size of the lens. Optical qualitative differences between most of the current Leica lenses are minuscule and very subjective....... In 95% of situations you would be hard pressed to tell the difference.... I'm afraid we all spend too much time anguishing about the capabilities of our equipment and not enough time actually taking pictures.... If I had any sense I would follow the Overgaard philosophy and stick a limited range of lenses and apertures and snap, snap, snap, snap, snap, snap......... Instead of talking and thinking about it... I think its a valid question to seek advice when entertaining a new focal length I (will) now have a 28mm f2.8 ASPH, 50mm f1.4 ASPH and 90mm f2 Pre-asph Apart from upgrading the 90mm to the latest APO and at some distant point adding the 18mm I am pretty sure my lineup will cover all my needs. Talking is all I can go do at work. Its a poor substitute for snapping but better then nothing ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted November 9, 2011 Share #37 Posted November 9, 2011 About size: Best humor all night! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted November 9, 2011 Share #38 Posted November 9, 2011 Best humor all night! Why so? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share #39 Posted November 9, 2011 the 28mm Elmarit has lovely colours and clarity: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smkoush Posted November 10, 2011 Share #40 Posted November 10, 2011 Indeed, the tiny 28mm Elmarit-M ASPH is a fine lens! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/164964-28mm-f28-asph-vs-f2-asph/?do=findComment&comment=1839739'>More sharing options...
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